Joe Coffin. Well listening to that with me Sue Brown, who's the head of public policy for Sense. I asked her about the extent of the problem - how many people who were both deaf and blind live in residential care.
Well we know that there are almost 300 deafblind people with complex needs living in homes that we run but I don't think anybody knows the full extent of the number of deafblind people in care homes. The majority of them will be older people who've lost their hearing and sight as they age and there will be a lot of deafblind people in residential care homes for older people who will also potentially be hit by this.