Kgg-mp/1A/11. 00 The House met at eleven of the clock, mr. Chairman in the Chair obituary reference to justice V. R. KRISHNA IYER mr. Chairman


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SHRIMATI VIJILA SATHYANANTH (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I start up with the same Maha Kavi Subramaniya Bharathiyar’s quote who was a revolutionary freedom poet, who says:

anna chathiram aayiram vaithal

Aalayam pathinayiram natal

Pinnayavinum punniyam kodi

Aangor ezhaikku ezhutharivthal
Its meaning is, more than serving a thousand people with food, more than building ten thousand temples of faith, what is better is to educate an underprivileged person. Keeping these lines in mind, the Bill seeks to provide three existing SPAs in New Delhi, Bhopal and Vijayawada, the status of institutes of national importance. You know what it is going to do. It enables them to grant degrees to their students. Tamil Nadu is a land of temples and a living museum of styles that originated in the 7th century. The temples in Tamil Nadu, some of which are more than 1,700 years old, display intricate carving and sculptures, which bear testimony to the craftsmanship and creativity of the sculptures and artists of Tamil Nadu. The Pallavas, Cholas, Pandyas, Vijayanagar rulers and the Nayakas have made immense contributions to temple art in Tamil Nadu. Temples from the pre-Christian era as well as those from the 20th Century exist in this State, where the ancient rulers have made outstanding contributions to the growth of these monuments of great artistic value. The Shore temple of Mamallapuram is a UNESCO world heritage site.

(Contd. by RG/3K)


SHRIMATI VIJILA SATHYANANTH (contd.): Also, the Thanjavur Big Temple has been listed amongst UNESCO’s World Heritage sites. The Srirangam Temple, constructed in the Dravidian style of architecture, is glorified in the Thiviya Pirabandham. I also feel proud to say that we are sitting in this august House, under the roof of a great architectural structure of the country, the Parliament House building. This temple of democracy was constructed between 12th February, 1921 and 18th January, 1927. Two famous architects, Sir Edwin Lutyens and Sir Herbert Baker from France and England designed and raised this building which has the aesthetic blending of both the Western and the Eastern traditional architecture. Apart from that, it also has the Indian touch. The wonderful windows, in the various forms of marble jaalis, depict the wonderful Indian touch, and the great Indian tradition has been established. This monument building can richly contribute to any school of architecture.

Sir, thanks to our most beloved leader, the architect of Tamil Nadu, Dr. Puratchi Thalaivi Amma, the higher education sector in Tamil Nadu is moving at an accelerated pace to meet the demands of the century in terms of research and development. In keeping with the vision of our hon. leader to make Tamil Nadu the innovation hub and the knowledge capital of India, she said and I quote: “without a body of sufficiently skilled and balanced workforce, no economy can hope to develop its potential.” I would point out the Tamil Nadu model, which is Amma’s achievements in her regime as the Chief Minister, how she had taken the Universities towards total excellence! ...(Time-bell)... Sir, in line with her Vision, she implemented Smart Classrooms with Video Conferencing facilities. These have been established in ten Universities at a cost of Rs.2 crores. Also, enterpreneurship has been developed. Twenty-five students and five faculty members have been selected to study one semester in the Universities in the United Kingdom from September, 2013 to January, 2014. A total of 3,35,086 laptop computers were distributed to the students. By this way, Tamil Nadu could achieve the Gross Enrolment Ratio of 38.2 per cent. In the whole of India, it is only 18 per cent. In 2011, Tamil Nadu had a GER of 18 per cent; now, it is 38.2 per cent. That is the biggest achievement of our former Chief Minister and our great leader. India has only 18 per cent Gross Enrolment Ratio and in spite of being a densely populated State, -- Goa may be ranked first with 40 per cent, but it is a Union Territory and has a less populated area – Tamil Nadu has the GER of 38.2 per cent. And, as far as the country’s average GER is concerned, it was 15 per cent in 2011 and, now, it is 18 per cent. So, comparatively, Tamil Nadu stands first in the Gross Enrolment Ratio in higher education. I want to reiterate that. Over a period of three years, a total of 23,53,970 laptops, amounting to Rs.2,500 crores, have been distributed to students who were wanting to pursue higher education,. That is the greatest achievement because of which the Gross Enrolment Ratio went up. Also, MoUs between students and faculty members and foreign professors of repute have been introduced in ten Universities at a cost of Rs.1 crore. All the more, I want to point out here that in the year 2013-14, Amma has sanctioned about Rs.20,000 crores to the Education Department...

THE VICE-CHAIRMAN (DR. SATYANARAYAN JATIYA): Your time is over. Please co-operate.

SHRIMATI VIJILA SATHYANANTH: While in 2010, the allocation for the education sector was only to the extent of Rs.10,000 crores, in 2014, it has been doubled and an allocation of Rs.20,000 crores has been made for upgrading school education. So, in line with her Vision 2023, Smart Classrooms with Video Conferencing facilities have been introduced. Foreign laboratories have been established in ten Universities.

(Continued by SSS/3L)


SHRIMATI VIJILA SATHYANANTH (CONTD.): Entrepreneurship-cum-skill development centres have been improved. (Time-bell) Sir, I will end here. We request the hon. Minister, who is dynamic -- I know she is a wonderful artist too and I applaud her -- for a Tamil Nadu School of Planning and Architecture as the premier, central institution for the South, as the region, i.e. Tamil Nadu, will have a regional central institution for the South and is known for mixing architecture with the art of sculpting. This is my chanting of this prayer to this House through you, Sir, and with these words I support this Bill. Thank you.


SHRI AMBETH RAJAN (UTTAR PRADESH): Sir, I am thankful to my Party, leader and National President Kumari Mayawati for giving me an opportunity to participate in the discussion on this Bill. I am also very thankful to the Chair for permitting me to take part in the participation. I also congratulate Madam Minister for scoring a hat-trick because this will be the third Bill to be passed today. It must be passed. I hope so. Madam, in the Statement of Objects and Reasons, it has been stated that the School of Planning and Architecture, New Delhi, is a premier institution in the field of Planning and Architecture. It was established in 1959 as an autonomous society, registered under the Societies Registration Act, 1860. In 1979, the School was conferred with the status of “Deemed University.” Madam, I have one question. Since 1959 the School of Planning and Architecture is functioning. Fifty-five academic years have passed. In all these 55 years, students got admitted, studied and got degrees. Whether, during these 55 years, reservation in admission was followed or not. I would like to have a clarification from the Minister regarding this and I also expect details of SC/ST students who were admitted, particularly students admitted in this school. I presume the schools in Vijayawada and Madhya Pradesh, which were established in 2008, would have hardly followed the reservation policy. Madam, I would like to bring to your notice that when our party leader and National President, Kumari Mayawati, was CM of Uttar Pradesh, Gautam Buddha University, which has a unique architecture, was established in Uttar Pradesh. That time, reservation policy was adopted correctly in students’ admission, faculty recruitment and all other recruitments.

I would like to add one more point as our colleague from Tamil Nadu spoke about Mahabalipuram, Srirangam and many places. I request Madam Minister to visit Lucknow and see for herself world class grand architecture design which finds place in the grand monuments like Dr. Ambedkar Smarak, Manyawar Sri Kanshiram Ji Smarak Sthal, Baudh Sthal etc. They have been erected under the able and personal guidance and supervision of our leader, Behen Kumari Mayawatiji during the last tenure, when she was Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh.

Madam, having said this, I now come to Section 12. The Section states that a Board of Governors and a Senate will be authorities of the schools. Section 13(2) deals with the composition of the Board of Governors. In these 12 clauses, there is no mention about Scheduled Castes and Scheduled Tribes. (Time-bell).

(Contd. by NBR/3M)


SHRI AMBETH RAJAN (CONTD.): Sir, I will complete. I have only two points. (Time bell)

श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: घंटी! सर, आप तो कमाल कर रहे हैं। ...(व्यवधान)

उपसभाध्यक्ष (डा. सत्यनारायण जटिया): जितना समय मुझे दिया गया है, उतना ही समय तो मैं दे पाऊंगा।

SHRI SATISH CHANDRA MISRA: Sir, we are cooperating. But, even then you are ringing the bell. कोई अगर बोलता है, तो दो घंटे तक बोलता रहेगा और अभी तीन मिनट के समय में एक मिनट क्रॉस भी नहीं हुआ है और आपकी घंटी बज गई । मान्यवर, यह तो उचित नहीं है। मैं आपसे सम्मान के साथ कह रहा हूँ।

उपसभाध्यक्ष (डा. सत्यनारायण जटिया): जो समय दिया गया है, उसी में खत्म करना है।

श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: आप दो मिनट का सब्र कर लीजिए, आधे मिनट का सब्र कर लीजिए।

उपसभाध्यक्ष (डा. सत्यनारायण जटिया): सब्र तो मेरे पास बहुत है, सब्र की कहां कमी है। ..(व्यवधान).. इनके पास केवल दो मिनट का समय है। ...(व्यवधान)... किसी के लिए ऐसा नहीं है। मुझे जो समय दिया गया है, उसी पर मुझे चलना है।...(व्यवधान)... केवल दो मिनट का समय दिया गया है। ...(व्यवधान)...

SHRI AMBETH RAJAN: I will cooperate. Now, I am finishing it; don't worry.

Sir, there is no reservation for SC/ST under clause 12. This is totally against the Constitution. Sir, same is the case with regard to Senate under clause 16. There is also no mention about representation of SC/ST in the Senate.

Now, I come to the Council proposed under clause 33. Clause 33 deals with establishment of Council. It also says about composition of the Council. It includes all those who are closely connected with planning, architecture and construction. It is a very good step. But, here also, representation from SC/ST is 'nil'. Dr. Ambedkar, architect of the Indian Constitution, always thought of their upliftment and fought for reservation. Madam, please have a re-look at clauses 12, 13 and 33 only then people will look at you.

Sir, there are various institutions and Deemed Universities which are offering B.Arch. courses across the country. I would like to know whether the Council, which will be established under clause 33 of the Bill, will have the power to exercise control over all those institutions which are offering B.Arch courses. Sir, there is a need to have uniform syllabus pattern in India for the course being offered.

Sir, we are witnessing rapid urbanisation. Wherever urbanisation is taking place, we are facing many constraints. All these are happening because of lack of planning. Planning should be given top priority in syllabus. Uniformity across institution will ensure systematic planning in the country. So, I urge the hon. Minister to think over this aspect.


SHRI AMBETH RAJAN: Sir, only one sentence. Please, don't press the bell.

While the Government is planning to have these institutes of national importance, I request you to take necessary steps to ensure national benefit. Why am I saying this? I am saying this because after becoming scholars, students are going after dollars.

With these words, I conclude my speech. Thank you.


SHRI RITABRATA BANERJEE (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I rise to support this Bill which is timely and praiseworthy endeavour.

Hon. Members have dealt about its necessity. As urbanisation is going on such institutes, with new vision and new ideas emphasizing on research, development and promotion, are needed. I just want to mention here one point that the provision of student council to ensure redressal mechanism needs to be there.

One point I want to mention here. When we are discussing higher education, architecture in our country is rooted in our history and culture. It is an assimilation of diversities. It is an assimilation of different influences. I was hearing about Indus Valley Civilization where we had town planning. After that, post-Mohenjo-daro and Ashoka the Great assimilated the blending of the Roman and Hellenic influences came giving birth to the Greco Buddhist School. Then, we had the Muslim influence, the Mughal era, where India and Iran uniting the Colonial era where the British, the Dutch, the French and the Portuguese giving birth to the Indo Gothic Structure. Now, the point is, this assimilation has been the churning crucible of our civilization as the BBC's Ethic History points out that India is the only continuing civilization in human history. I just want to mention here, during the period of 6th Century BC to 6th Century AD, spectacular scientific developments took place in our country.



SHRI RITABRATA BANERJEE (Contd.): The question naturally arises as to why it stopped in the Seventh Century A.D. Because intolerance was there. When intolerance took place, then there is a stoppage of scientific advancement. Particularly, I just want to mention a famous book, The Biography of a Dangerous Idea, written by a French intellectual, Charles Seife. This dangerous idea is actually zero which we have invented. The Arabs took that idea from us. They have always credited us for that idea.

As we are discussing architecture, wherever this zero came into being, this zero is incomplete without the concept of infinity in mathematics. Infinity and zero go together. That is dialectics, that is the unity of the opposite, that is always cherished by our country. Particularly when we speak about the unity of the opposites, the dialects, because the dialects and unity of opposites generate the advancement of ideas, we need to move forward towards this advancement of ideas. I urge upon the Government to see to it that as we move forward with the advancement of ideas with more increased spending on education along with more social spending, there is a situation where the tolerance is championed. This is the need of the hour. I want to quote Tagore. Tagore has said in his celebrated poem of

Bharata Teertha: *

No one knows, Sir, from where it flows or who set it in motion, the wild force of humanities course to mingle in mid-ocean, here are Aryans and non-Aryans, Mughals, people of the East and Huns and Syrians, Pathans and Dravidians, in a body they are mixed.

So, naturally, our first Prime Minister, Pandit Nehru, had always mentioned and I quote him. Even after our Independence in a Convocation in Allahabad University, he said, ‘A university stands for humanism, it stands for tolerance, it stands for reason, it stands for the adventure of ideas and the search for truth.’


* The Hon. Member spoke in Bengali

I rise to support this timely and praiseworthy endeavour and an important one that will definitely take us into the higher planes of civilization. Thank you, Sir. (Ends)

SHRI C.M. RAMESH (TELANGANA): Sir, thank you for giving me this opportunity. This is a very important Bill. There is one college in Vijayawada. It is going to be our Capital. Sir, I wish to congratulate hon. Minister for HRD for piloting the School of Planning and Architecture Bill, 2014 which has been pending for more than six years. I express my sincere thanks for responding positively when I brought to her notice the plight of the students of SPA, Vijayawada through my letter and personal representation. The students of SPA, Bhopal, and SPA, Vijayawada, have been suffering due to the disinterestedness of the earlier Government and till date, they are not getting their degrees as the institutes are not conferred with the powers to award degrees. Now, with this Bill, the students can get their degrees. In this context, I appreciate the vision of the hon. Minister to constitute an SPA Council, on the lines of IIT Council, with the Directors of all SPAs--New Delhi, Bhopal and Vijayawada--professionals and elected members to guide Government on how to make these institutions Centres of Excellence.

Today, there is an immense need for qualified planners and architects in our country with growing urbanization. All our cities are crumbling with unplanned growth and lack of infrastructure to cope up with the minimum needs of the citizens. These institutions are to be directed to guide the urban development in close contact with the Urban Local Bodies instead of remaining as mere educational institutions. The interaction and guidance with the day-to-day problems of ULBs will enrich both the faculty and students and it will be helpful to the society. I appeal to the hon. Minister that the SPA Act shall, ipso facto, confer the recognition of SPA courses by professional bodies like Council of Architecture, and Indian Town Planners’ Association.

(Contd. By DC/3O)


SHRI C.M. RAMESH (Contd.): It should also confer the recognition of SPA courses by AICTE-like Government Organisations, without insisting on applications and inspections in a routine manner. All the courses started in these shall be deemed to be recognised by these bodies. The earlier batches, for example, of SPA, Bhopal and SPA, Vijayawada do not have any recognition from Council of Architecture hindering students’ registration with the COA and pursue their professional career. These batches shall be given recognition by COA and hon. Minister may direct the COA to do the same at the earliest. Till date, SPA, Vijayawada and SPA, Bhopal are not recognised by AICTE, though, all these organisations are financed and controlled by the Ministry of HRD. The students of SPAs are not getting scholarship from AICTE and quality programmes are not extended to them. The SPA students are facing problems while getting admission in foreign universities as some institutions are insisting on approval of the courses from AICTE. India is rapidly getting urbanised and unless we take preparatory steps to place professionals to take up this challenge, our cities will never become livable cities. I also request the hon. Minister for HRD to direct the SPA, Vijayawada to associate itself with the development of world class capital city for Andhra Pradesh being promoted by our beloved Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, Shri Chandrababu Naidu. Let me once again congratulate the hon. Minister for her interest in promoting higher education and I am confident that she will transform the entire higher education sector with her able leadership. Sir, just now my colleague from Tamil Nadu said that former Chief Minister Amma did many things, we expect this Amma will also do the same things.


उपसभाध्यक्ष (डा. सत्यनारायण जटिया) : थैंक यू। श्री भूपिंदर सिंह जी, बोलिए। सबके लिए दो-दो मिनट का समय दिया गया है। यह मेरी बाध्यता है कि मैं दो मिनट के बाद ... चूंकि आप सब नेता हैं और वहां समय तय करते हैं, वही समय मैं यहां बताता हूं, इसलिए किसी को नाराज़ होने की जरूरत नहीं है। ...(व्यवधान)... प्लीज़... (व्यवधान)... भूपिंदर सिंह जी, बोलिए।

SHRI BHUPINDER SINGH (ODISHA): Hon. Vice Chairman, Sir, I have been thinking time and again, why the name of the Bill is the School of Planning and Architecture. I would like to draw the attention of the entire House, including the hon. Minister and the Government that it should have been named as Knowledge Planning and Architecture University or something like that, not a School. I must thank at the outset, the autonomous society who started the first school in 1959. Five decades after that, the second and third Schools of Planning and Architecture, Bhopal and Vijayawada came into being. As Minister of Urban Development in my State in 1999, while saying goodbye to the twentieth Century, my vision for 2020 was, what would be the size of urban India. The rural people are rushing towards the cities. Sometime we talk about planning. Only those can plan, who have vision. Without vision there cannot be any planning. My city, Bhubaneshwar, the Capital city is known as the temple city of India. I can claim that it is the temple city of the world from where Jainism, Buddhism, everything has come up. We are talking about 300-400 years back. Go back to the age when the architecturers made Konark Temple in 12th Century. Konark Temple is one of the world class monuments recognised by UNESCO.

(Contd. by TDB-3P)


SHRI BHUPINDER SINGH (CONTD.): There are so many temples made by our architects, and, unfortunately, for the two Central Government schools, which have been mentioned by the previous speaker, AICTE approval is not there. Where are we then? It is really a matter of shame for us. If the Central Government institutions are neglected by the AICTE, and our students will not get degrees, then, after coming out of those colleges, what will be their fate? So, I would like to tell the hon. Minister that the Sun rises from my State, i.e., Chandrabhaga, near Konark. I am making an appeal to the hon. Minister. I have been seeing in this House for the last six months that East and Eastern India is not there in the map of any proposal which is coming here. Why is it so? What for is it so? So, should we bring a motion here for that purpose? I would like to request the hon. Minister that at least a Central School of Planning should be there in Odisha.

Sir, it has been mentioned in Clause 11 of the Bill that the President of India shall be the Visitor of every school. So, here the Visitor is the first citizen of this country, His Excellency. I would like to request that if it is not the Visitor, then, some other name other than the Visitor can be found out.

Sir, the Delhi School of Planning has been made a deemed to be university after 20 years. (Time-bell) For the information of the House, I would like to say that the deemed to be university means the university will make its own syllabus; it will conduct its own examinations; and its results will be prepared by it; it can give any marks and any degrees to its students. But, the students of Bhopal and Vijayawada have to go through the other channel. So, Sir, I demand that there should be uniformity in the syllabus; there should be uniformity in examinations; there should be uniformity in results also. That is what is lacking here.

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