John Nelson Ross was born in Bath, or possibly Fleming Co., Ky. in 1818. Family tradition had him linked to a Vanlandingham family in some way. A few years ago, I discovered that when John got married in 1839, in Bath Co., a Vanlandingham couple signed his marriage bond documents. The signatures are not clear, but one of them was Elizabeth Vanlandingham, and the other looks like Jas.? Vanlandingham. The bond is also signed by a William Denton. On the marriage bond there is a statement in which the Vanlandinghams write that they give permission to "my son, John Nelson Ross to marry". There is a recorded marriage bond between Joshua Vanlandingham and Elizabeth Ross dated Feb. 11, 1829. The marriage of Joshua and Elizabeth was the second for both. According to the book "The Vanlandingham Genealogy, Vol. II" by Leon Vanlandingham, Joshua probably had 2 children with his first wife (whose name is unknown), named Alfred and Madison. Joshua’s wife died, and he married a "Mrs. Ross". According to the book, Joshua and Elizabeth then had 4 more children: Valentine, Malinda, Susannah and Bluford.
In 1845 John Nelson Ross and Nancy moved from Bath to Carter County. On the 1850 Carter Co., Ky. census, there is a family living next to them: Joshua Flanegan, 63, farmer, North Carolina; Betsey,56, Ky.; Linda,15, Ky.; Bewford, 12, Ky.; Susana Ross,25, Ky. "blind". According to Leon Vanlandingham, this Flanegan family is actually the Joshua Vanlandingham family after they changed their name!! It seems that this has happened on other occassions with the Vanlandingham name. All the given names and ages match. When John and Nancy moved to Carter Co., John’s mother and stepfather apparently moved at the same time. Incidentally, Joshua Vanlandingham’s son, Madison, moved to Platte Co. Mo. in the 1850’s, the same county where John Kinnamon (Nancy’s brother) and their father, George Kinnamon, moved in the 1850’s!
On the 1850 census, living right next to John Nelson Ross and the “Flanegan” family, is one Reuben Truman Ross. Reuben Truman Ross was born Sept. 11, 1822 in Ky. and died 29 Sept. 1868 in Neodesha KS. Reuben married Rebecca L. James on 7 Sept. 1848 in Carter,Ky . Rebecca was born 14 Sept. 1831 in Carter,Ky and died 21 Apr 1882/1892 in Neodesha, Wilson, Kansas. Reuben was the son of Richard Ross and Catherine McCleese (married 29 Sep 1814 in Bath Co. KY.). Reuben moved his family to Kansas in the mid 1850’s. There are several pieces which seem to link Reuben with John Nelson Ross: 1) the afforementioned 1850 Carter Co., Ky. census; 2) his father married into the same McClease clan as Andrew Zornes and Rachel Rhodisa "Dicie" Tackett. Andrew and Dicie are related to John Nelson Ross; 3) I have a copy of an old tintype photo of an elderly lady which is entitled: "Becky Ross, born 1831". This was given to me by Opal Sparks, Opal’s husband, Glen Sparks, is descendant of John Nelson Ross’s son, Reuben Ross. Rebecca (James) Ross, wife of Reuben Truman Ross, was born in 1831!! My guess is that, some time after Reuben Truman Ross died in Kansas, Rebecca, well on in years, decided to send a photo of herself to her husband’s family in Ky. Reuben Truman Ross might have been John Nelson Ross’s cousin, it doesn’t seem likely that they were brothers.
The above Richard Ross, father of Reuben Truman Ross, also had daughters Margaret, Eleanor (?) and Susanna. Other sources refer to daughters named Mary Ann and Mary Elizabeth Ross. Margaret Ross married Arthur Prince; Susanna was probably blind at a young age and may never have married. The reported Mary Ann Ross married Robert Talton Wilburn. Mary Elizabeth Ross married William R. James.
Jacob Ross married Elizabeth Denton (same Denton clan as Elizabeth (Denton) Vanlandingham) on 26 Sep 1815 in Bath Co., KY; Mary married Rev. Jeremiah M. Hunt on 27 October 1805; and Margaret married Wesley Denton on 23 November 1818 in Fleming Co., Ky.. These Denton and Hunt families also married into the Bath County Vanlandinghams, AND, were the same families that John Nelson Ross appears to be living next to (or with), on the 1840 Bath County census!! Jeremiah's Hunt's family intermarried with this Denton clan about a dozen times, that I have been able to document. Jacob and Mary's sister, Margaret Ross, married a Wesley Denton. Wesley was the son of Abraham Denton and Sarah "Sally" Hunt! , Wesley Denton was uncle to Elizabeth (Denton) Vanlandingham. Before John Nelson Ross left Bath Co., he had one son, who he named John PIAT Ross. John Nelson Ross's son, Jeremiah Jacob Hunt Ross, was born about one year after the death of Rev. Jeremiah Hunt, the husband of Mary (Ross) Hunt. The above referenced Rev. Jeremiah Hunt is my candidate as source for my great grandfather’s rather unusual name: Jeremiah Jacob Hunt Ross.
On the 1820 Bath County census there is a Betsy Ross, head of household, and with her is 1 male (0-4). I’m guessing that the male is John Nelson Ross (age 2), and that Betsy is his mother, and is the same Elizabeth Ross who is to marry Joshua Vanlandingham in 1829. On the 1820 census the following names are listed, one under the other: West Denton,John Vanlandingham, Joshua Vanlandingham, William Denton, Betsy Ross, Sarah Denton, Polly Vanlandingham.
Concerning a John Ross who was born 18 September 1754 in Prince William Co., VA.: There sems to be conflicting evidence as to his wife's name. One name given is Susannah Piat (also spelled Pyatt and Piatt).
There is a family ledgend that John Nelson Ross's father was the 3rd son of a Scottish duke, who married a Vanlandingham. The Vanlandingham family disapproved of the marriage and forced a divorce. John's father then left the area, and John was left to be raised by the Vanlandinghams. Personally, I give no credence to this story, and I record it here only in the interests of completeness.
The John Ross who is a candidate for John Nelson Ross’ father served in the Revolutionary war under the Col. Grayson. Grayson, Ky. was named for this Col. Grayson!! The obituary of John Nelson Ross states that the Kinnamon family was traveling through Bath County when John and Nancy met. There is some recollection that a descendent of Nancy's brother, John Kinnamon, claimed that John Kinnamon was "from Louisville", so this may have been one of the places that the Kinnamon family settled. John Kinnamon was in Missouri by 1860, and his birth place is listed as Ky.. John Nelson Ross and Nancy moved from Bath County to Carter Co., Ky. in1845, and subsequently recorded claims to several plots of land in the Tygarts Creek area. If John's father came from Scotland, why did he give his children the middle names of prominent local families (ie. Piatt, Hunt, Johnson), implying that he was related to them in some way?
Why was Willie Sparks ( John Nelson Ross’s adopted son) buried next to John Nelson Ross (note, Willie died earliest of all males)?
The 1860 Platte Co., Mo. census appears to give us Nancy’s father, George W. Kinnamon (b. Jan. 15, 1794 in Maryland ). I haven’t been able to find George in my "Kinnamon Family in America" book yet. On this line I’ve also been trying to track down info on the Rachel Kinnamon who married Austin Vanlandingham on Aug. 30, 1847 in Ky. I have been in contact with a descendent of Rachel through her second husband, William Abner Fox. There is good circumstantial evidence to suggest the Rachel is a sister to Nancy and John. A couple of things still keep me from saying that this explanation is 100% correct. Most importantly, why don’t any of John and Nancy’s descendents have any knowledge of John’s family living in Carter County? That seems totally out of character for the way people live down there. Also, there don’t appear to be any photos of either Elizabeth or Joshua that have been passed down through any family line.
John Rison James (1817-1904) married Mary Elizabeth Ross, a reported daughter of Richard Ross and Catherine McClease of Bath and Greenup Co., Ky. James and Elizabeth appear on the 1860 Linn Co., Kansas living next to Reuben Truman Ross! Both Richard and Reuben later both relocate to Wilson Co., Ks. A 3dr gr. Granddaughter of John Rison James, Betty Katherine Black married a
Warren B. Piatt!!
Nancy (Kinnamon) Ross’ obituary informs us that when Nancy apparently met John Nelson Roos her family was passing through Bath County on the way to Madison County. This is a strong indication that the family had come to Kentucky from their home in Tennessee via the Big Sandy and Ohio Rivers. 1836 maps show trails from Greenupsburg and Cannonsburg that merge near present day Olive Hill,
then a trail southwest through Bath County to Mt. Sterling. Winchester and Richmond (the county seat of Madison County). This may also be a clue as to why John and nancy Cose to make a new home in Carter County in 1845, rather than move to the west, as so many other Kentucians did.
Transcription of marriage bond documents for John Nelson Ross and Nancy Jane Kinnamon
(The following appears to have all been written in the handwriting of John Nelson Ross:)
J. N. Ross
(The following appears to have been written in the handwriting of John Nelson Ross:)
Know all men by these presents that we, John N. Ross & William Denton are held & bound unto the Commonwealth of Ky. in the just & full sum of L50 current money of Ky. which payment will & truly to be made. We bind ourselves, our heirs lassitly(sp?) & firmly by these presents sealed & dated this 7 of August 1839.
The condition of the above obligation is such that there is a marriage shortly intended to be soleminized between the above bound John N. Ross & Nancy Kidamon. Now if there shall be no lawful cause to obstruct such marriage, then this bond to be now else to remain in full force & virtue.
As Jim's family are all still in Scotland, and we have not found any actual relation that has moved to America, there is no obvious match.
We have found very limited information on Jim's paternal line. His father (James) was born in Currie, Edinburgh, Scotland and lived there all his life. His Grandfather (William), is a problem for us. We know where he was was from 1904, when he married in Kirkintilloch, Scotland (aged 24). His marriage certificate gave his parents as William Ross and Mary Graham. His death certificate gave his parents as William Ross and Elizabeth Brooks, but I can not find a birth to either set of parents.
Jim's father remembers his own father well, as they lived in the same house until 1947, when William passed away. Jim's father lived until 2004 and we asked him as many questions as possible, but the only information we got was that Willim was born in Balfron, Scotland. No known siblings. We couldn't even get a date of birth. He was in the army during the first world war, but we can not find his amy records.
The only census we can find him in is the 1911, and he gives Balfron as his place of birth.
I have looked at all the births in Balfron around 1879-81, but none of them look like an obvious match.
There is a story in the family that he changed his surname, but we do not know why. That is why having a ROSS DNA match would be interesting.
I am not sure if we can help each other, but I do have access to the Scottish records so if you get any clues to Scotland I can have a look.
Good luck in your search.
The signature of William Denton on John Nelson Ross’ marriage bond appears to match the signature on an Oct. 26, 1836 deed of property from Sarah Hunt, Joshua P. and Elen (Denton) Hunt, Elijah and Cela (Denton) Perkins to Reuben Denton (page 88). Deed refers to “William Denton’s own tract”. Elen Denton and Celia Denton were the daughters of Abraham Denton and Sarah “Sally” Hunt. The fact that they sold the property joinly indicates they were heirs to Abraham Denton’s (1776-1813) and Sally (Hunt) Denton’s (1779-1831) estate.
http://rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kycarter/marriage/ross_john_nelson_1.htm http://rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kycarter/deeds/bath_county/bath_deed_book_xx_page_088.htm …and possible the signature on the March 24, 1853 deed of property from William and Catherine Denton to Isaac Tillet. This is the William Denton who was born in 1810, so he would have been 35 at the time of John Nelson Ross’ marriage. His father, William Denton, died in 1825.
http://rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kycarter/deeds/bath_county/bath_deed_book_xx_page_092.htm Important is the September 26, 1815 marriage bond signed by William Denton for the marriage of his daughter Elizabeth to Jacob Ross. This must be the senior William Denton (1781-1825) who was married to Mary Hunt..
http://rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kycarter/marriage/ross_jacob_and_elizabeth_denton.htm The William Denton signature on the deed disposing of the property of (unk) Denton appears to be different:
| 1880 census, Carter Co.,Ky.: Reuben F. Ross, 37, Farming, Ky KyTn; Tirese E, 34, K V K; Virginia Lee,13, K K K; Ada Lee E ,11, K K K; | Eunice A, 7, K K K; Jessie Bu.ton,5, K K K; Mary P., 3, K K K; Nancy K, 2, K K K; Harlan,2/12Mar, K K K
| 1910 census, Carter Co., Ky. living alone on 1910 Olive Hil, Carter Co., Ky. census
| 1920 census, Olive Hill, Carter Co., Ky: Reuben Ross, 77, “boarder, in home of David Parker”, Ky., Ky., Ky.(!)
| note, only Reuben and Harlan are still living
| 1930 census, Carter Co., Ky,Olive Hill, MD #7, Rube Ross,87,Ky,Scotland(!?),Holland(?!!) boarder
| lived at 72 Rock St., Olive Hill, Ky. (1930) map
| married Theresa Ellen Offill ca1869 "Tirese" b. Nov. 25. 1845 In Lawton, Ky d. April 13, 1886 buried at Tabor Cem., Carter Co. Ky
| |-Virginia Lee Ross b. Feb. 2, 1867 in Carter Co., Ky. d. April 12, 1888 buried at Ross Chapel Cem. , Carter Co., Ky. "Jennie"
| |-Adalade Lee E. Ross “Addie ” b. Feb. 21, 1869 d. Oct. 8, 1890 buried at Ross Chapel Cem., Carter Co., Ky.
| |-Ellen Ross b. May 24, 1894?? d. May 24, 1894 buried at Ross Chapel Cemetery, Carter Co., Ky. (dates wrong??, re. mother’sdeath)
| | m2. Nettie Sarah Elizabeth Keith on April 29, 1921 in Birmingham, Alabama b. Dec. 26,1904 in Menlo, Ga.
| | lived at 3525 8th St., Birmingham, Ala. per R. J. Ross obit
| | “Nettie Sarah Elizabeth Keith m/Elige Kenneth Ross on 29 Apr 1921 in Birmingham, Alabama. Aunt Nettie was my Grandfather's sister,”
| | per Charles Champion Charlie_champion@hotmail.com
| | |
| | |-George Randolph Ross b. 1922 in Alabama per 1930 census
| | | “We used to play with Jimmy Grey and Suzanne. Their mother was rather indifferent to them and they always came
| | | straight to our house for the entire visit. Suzanne was a sweet sweet child who married and lived in Atlanta,
| | | seeing her step father only occasionally. Jimmy Grey, our age later went to France to study art in Paris,
| | | and Uncle George refused to support him any longer. When inquires were made of Uncle George concerning this child, he said that
| | | Jimmy was a hippy and he did not know where he was now. Uncle George was too ridged to make a good parent
| | | and he never gave them any allowance. The kids had to sell things they had made door to door for any spending money they had..
| | | I know nothing of his real father, except he had the good sense to divorce their mother, who was very good looking and worked
| | | in a jewelry store, from which she got her expensive tastes! I miss Jimmy Grey, they were
| | | both very sweet, very descent, people and I enjoyed playing with him.” per George Robert Stritikus firstname.lastname@example.org
| | |
| | | m1. Evelyn Marie Gibbons
| | | |
| | | |-George Robert Ross "Bob" b. 1948
| | |
| | | m2. Bobby Lancaster b. 1922
| | | .-Jimmy Grey children from prior marriage?
| | | .-Suzanne Grey
| | |
| | | m3. Mary Stritikus 1923
| | |
| | |-Gloria Ross b. 1924 in Alabama per 1930 census
| | married Jack Yeaman Capps b. 1920
| | |-Kenneth Lane Capps b.1952
| | |
| | |-Tamala Sharon Capps b.1947
| | | married John Mosley Douglas b. 1946
| | | |-Jonathan Trace Douglas b. 1974
| | | |-Leah Elizabeth Douglas b. 1978
| | |
| | |-Sherri Capps b. 1951 d. 1993
| | m1. Tom Pilgreen
| | |
| | |-Melissa Ashley Pilgreen b. 1971
| | | married (unk)
| | | |-Haley Pilgreen b. 1992
| | |
| | |-Bryan Thomas Pilgreen b. 1974
| | m2. Bob Neff
| |-Minnie Norene Ross b. 1908 in Ky. per 1910 census d.1975
| | lived in Birmingham. Ala. per R.J. Ross obit
| | married F. N. Grey "Sparky" b. 1908 d. 1955
| |-Ellen Irene Ross “Irene” b. Jan 11 1911 in Carter Co, KY Certificate #: 11-002-00785 d. 1975
| lived in Birmingham. Ala. per R.J. Ross obit
| married (unk) Williams
| m2. Sarah Margaret Sparks on July 3, 1914 b.1883 d. 1937
| |-Robert Ross Jr. b. 1923 d. Unknown
| |-Mary Ann Ross b. 1929 d. Unknown
| |-Rosabell Ross aka Rosa B. Ross b. February 25, 1915 in Carter Co.,Ky. cert # 14-6629 d. 1948
| | lived in Birmingham, Ala. per R. J. Ross obit
| | married Arthur Kirkpatrick Arthur Kirkpatrick married Marguerite Stewart(living) in 1949
| |-Allen Johnson Ross "A.J." b. 11 Oct 1916 in Carter Co.,Ky cert #101-50255 d. 14 Jan 1994 418-10-4865 SSN Issued: AL
| | lived at 35071 Gardendale, Jefferson, AL (1994) per SSI Index
| | “I was rereading what Uncle Allen told me about John Nelson Ross's. Uncle Allen spent lots of time visiting back up in Ky.
| | after Robert Johnson "Bob" Ross brought his family to B'ham. Uncle Allen said the father of John Nelson Ross was buried in Ross Chapel Cemetery, | | near John Nelson but without a headstone. He said his name was John Ross and that he had come to KY because