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OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part A
Unconnected Family 39 (WILLIAM 1813 and WILLIAM 1840) was constructed from:

  1. the wills of WILLIAM (St Erth family 2) and WILLIAM (-THISTLETON)

  2. 1871 census details provided by Lyn Nash lynnash@webaxs.net and Kindred Konnections give the link but it was necessary to correct the date of the death of WILLIAM (senior) (see below).

  3. a letter from Les Smith

Unconnected Family 47 (HERBERT-LESLIE and MARJORIE and children) was constructed from:



  1. letter from Linda(-Jane) Mills (née Tregenza 1947) including photo of her great-grandfather (THOMAS-THISTLETON) with his chip van at Prase-an-beeble

  2. general records

Unconnected Family 75 (THOMAS and CAROLINE and first four boys) was constructed from:



  1. using 1891 census found by Clive-John Allen (UCF 6) – original data is now lost but found on www.freecen.org.uk (see below)

Note

  • LILLIAN-A born 16MAR1903 Wyoming, died Sonoma California which is same place as GEORGE 1891 may be his wife - child called LILIAN [Californian death records]

  • Also name Rutter appears in St Erth Family 6b.

  • Fellock is probably Phillack.

  • East Penwith Petty Sessions "John Tregenza, son of hot-chipped potato van proprietor of the same name, stated that the defendant bought some chips at his van. He saw some 3 about and saw ...." Cornishman 29NOV1906 www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk may be son of THOMAS-THSTLETON and brother of MAE

OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part A
Lyn Nash lynnash@webaxs.net provides these two census records showing both WILLIAM senior and junior were alive in 1881.

1881 census 39 Union Street Camborne FHL film 1341561 PRO ref. RG11 piece 2334 folio 60 page 8



WILLIAM

Tregenza

head

widower

65

labourer general

St Erth

of St Erth family 2

1881 census Corlean Ruan Minor FHL film 1341559 PRO ref. RG11 piece 2325 folio 61 page 9 and also www.freecen.org.uk



WILLIAM

Tregenza

head

unmarried

42

engine driver

Hayle

EMMA

Tregenza

sister

unmarried

30

housekeeper

Hayle

1871 census Grade district 12 schedule 007 from website Kindred Konnections, Les Smith and Lyn Nash.



Wm.

Batten

head

married

39

fshrmn




Paul

Eliz.

Batten

wife

married

38

-




Madron

Thos.

Batten

son

-

13

labourer




Paul

Robt. Geo.

Batten

son

-

10

sch




Paul

Matilda B.

Batten

daughter

-

7

sch




Paul

Eliz.

Batten

daughter

-

4

sch




Paul

HONOR

Tregenza

visitor

-

16

-




Paul

The dates tie up with this family but not the parish. The Tregenza family in Newlyn knew the Batten family.

1871 census Paul district 5 schedule 33 from Kindred Konnections



Jas

Guy

head

married

51

fshrmn

Madron

Mary

Guy

sister

unmarried

57

washwomn

Madron

Honor

Guy

M

married

46

-

Scilly

HONOR-T.

Tregenza

visitor

-

14

gardenr lab

St Austell


OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part A
1871 census Grade district 12 schedule 007 from website Kindred Konnections, Les Smith and Lyn Nash.

John

Martin

lodger

married

41

marble mason

1830

Penzance

Eliz.

Rutter

head

widow

46

shopkeeper

1825

Landewednack

Mary A

Rutter

daughter




14

scholar

1857

Grade

Solomon

Rutter

son




9

scholar

1862

Grade

Wm

TregengO

lodger

widower

55

engine driver

1816

St Erth

Wm

Tregenza

lodger

unmarried

30

blacksmith

1841

Fellock

Saml

Willis

lodger

unmarried

31

marble mason

1840

Plymouth

1881 census from www.familysearch.org dwelling Magor, Illogan film 1341560 ref. RG11 piece 2332 folio 65 page 1 and www.freecen.org.uk



Jacob

Cocking

head

married

65

colt trainer

Illogan

Eliza

Cocking

wife

married

59




Redruth

Ann

Medling

daur

married

26




Illogan

James C.

Medling

grandson




6




Illogan

Jacob

Medling

grandson




6m




Illogan

CAROLINE

Tregenza

daur

married

24




Illogan

THOMAS

Tregenza

son in law

married

25

serpentine turner

St Just

1851 census St Austell Charlestown read from fiche and from www.freecen.org.uk



WILLIAM

Tregenza

head

married

34

tin smelter

St Earth

ELIZABETH

Tregenza

wife

married

35




St Mary ?

WILLIAM

Tregenza

son




10




Phillick

GEORGE

Tregenza

son




9




Penzance

ELIZABETH

Tregenza

dau




7




St Earth

EDWIN

Tregenza

son




4




St Earth

EMMA

Tregenza

dau




3




St Earth

OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part A

1861 census 8 Paul Hill Newlyn RG9/1592 district 7 folio 119 page 2 schedule 9 from www.freecen.org.uk



WILLIAM

Tregenza

head

married

46

labourer

St Erth

ELIZABETH

Tregenza

wife

married

45




St Mary’s Scilly

WILLIAM

Tregenza

son

unmarried

20

labourer

Phillack

GEORGE

Tregenza

son

unmarried

19

labourer

Madron

ELIZABETH-A

Tregenza

dau

unmarried

17




Madron

EDWIN

Tregenza

son

unmarried

15

labourer

St Just

EMMA-J.

Tregenza

dau




13

unreadable scholar

St Just

HONOR

Tregenza

dau




6

scholar

St Austel

THOMAS

Tregenza

son




3




St Just

1871 census no 24 at 1 Penpoll Gate Row Phillack



Mary

Potter




widow

33

charwoman

Marazion

Francis

Potter

son




5

scholar

Phillack

Richard

Potter

son




3

scholar

Phillack

ELIZABETH

Tregenza

mother in law

widow

66

formerly domestic servant

Gulval

1911 census Dolcoath Terrace Camborne RG14/14012 from www.1901censusonline.com



WILLIAM-CHARLES

Tregenza

head

married

26

fitter in a safety fuse works

*

LAURA

Tregenza

wife

married

25




Camborne

ROSETTA-MAUD

Tregenza

daughter




2




Camborne

* ‘County Of Cornwall Town

OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part A
1911 census 83 Trelowarren Street Camborne RG14/14003 from www.1901censusonline.com

THOMAS

Tregenza

head

married

53

fish and chip vendor

St Just Cornwall

CAROLINE

Tregenza

wife

married

54

assistant in business

Roscroggan Illogan Cornwall

HERBERT

Tregenza

son

single

22

moulder iron foundry

Albert Street Camborne

GEORGE

Tregenza

son

single

19

assistant in business

Water Style Camborne *

HELENA-ELIZA

Tregenza

daughter

single

17

assistant in business

Water Style Camborne *

LEONARD

Tregenza

son




13

at school

Water Style Camborne *

HILDA

Tregenza

daughter




11

at school

Water Style Camborne *

Ann

Medlyn **

sister-in-law

widow

56




Roscroggan Illogan Cornwall

* should be ‘Waterstile’

** Medlyn also found in Mylor Family 5


Les Smith provided 1871 census Phillack district 2 schedule 002 from Kindred Konnections

EMMA

Tregenza

daughter

unmarried

22

housekeeper

St Erth

THOS.

Tregenza

son




13

scholar

St Just in Penwith

1891 census Church Lane Camborne All Saints Tuckingmill RG12/1851 district 16 folio 126 page 35 schedule 237 www.freecen.org.uk and www.findmypast.co.uk



THOMAS

Tregenza

head

married

33

tin dresser serpentine works *

St Just

CAROLINE

Tregenza

wife

married

34




Illogan

THOMAS

Tregenza

son

-

8




Illogan

WILLIAM

Tregenza

son

-

6




Camborne

EDWIN-J.

Tregenza

son

-

4




Camborne

HERBERT-A.

Tregenza

son

-

2




Camborne

* serpentine

OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part A

1871 census Madron district 9 schedule 1 from Kindred Konnections



Jas

Barnes

head

married

38

farmer 12 acres

Paul

Rebecca

Barnes

wife

married

37




Madron

Wm

Barnes

son

unmarried

16




Victoria Aus.

Jas

Barnes

son

-

12




Madron

John

Barnes

son

-

10

sch

Madron

Thos

Barnes

son

-

6

sch

Madron

Hannah

Barnes

daughter

-

2




Madron

Richd

Barnes

son

-

1m




Madron

ELIZ.-ANN

Tregenza

servant

unmarried

27

dom. sv.

Madron

1841 census Fradgan Newlyn HO107/143/9 district 17 folio 20 page 32 from www.freecen.org.uk



Wm.

Thistleton

70*

pension

outside census county

Blanch

Thistleton

60*




Cornwall

Honor

Thistleton

17*




Cornwall

Willm.

Tregenza

25*

miner

Cornwall

Elizth.

Tregenza

24*




Cornwall

Willm.

Tregenza

10m




Cornwall

* ages to the nearest five years

OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 part B
Constructed from information from:

  1. Unconnected Family 133 (Glasgow) joined here

  2. an IGI record from www.familysearch.com

  3. Cornwall Online Parish Clerks’ database www.cornwall-ops-database.org

  4. the birth certificates of SARAH-WILLIAMS 1867, WILLIAM(-DOWNING) 1863, WILLIAM-DOWNING 1915 and GEORGE-HENRY 1871

  5. the marriage certificates of SARAH-WILLIAMS 1892 and GEORGE-HENRY 1862

  6. death certificate of GEORGE-HENRY from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

  7. birth, death and marriage records (lists of records and facsimiles of them from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk)

  8. WILLIAM-DOWNING seaman’s identity card and medal record from www.national.archives.org.uk

  9. 1871, 1881 and 1891 censuses from Kindred Konnections, www.findmypast.co.uk and www.freecen.org.uk plus 1901 census from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk (see below)

Unconnected Family 133 (WILLIAM-DOWNING and family) was constructed from:



  1. birth records (facsimile) all children of WILLIAM-DOWNING and SUSAN from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

  2. death records of WILLIAM-DOWNING born 1915 and WILLIAM-DOWNING 1863 from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

  3. 1891 census from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

1901 census 5 Green Road Joker Refrew Scotland schedule 23 from www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk



Francis

McDonald

head

married

32

janitor

worker

*

Mary

McDonald

wife

married

25







Glasgow

Elizabeth

Tregenza

visitor

single

14

dressmaker

worker

Govan

George

Kilpatrick

boarder

single

21

grocers assistant

worker

*

Hough

Campbell

boarder

single

19

waiter spirit shop

worker

Mull

Elizabeth is probably younger sister of Mary married to Francis McDonald * obscured
OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part B
1871 census Paul parish district 5 schedule 139

William

Downing

head

married

55

boat-builder

Paul

Mary-H.

Downing

wife

married

53

-

Paul

Ann

Downing

daughter

unmarried

27

dressmaker

Paul

William

Downing

son

unmarried

25

boat-builder

Paul

Eliz.

Downing

daughter

unmarried

21

tailoress

Paul

Kitty

Downing

daughter

unmarried

19

drapers assistant

Paul

Margaret

Downing

daughter




16

drapers assistant

Paul

Eliza-Willis

Downing

daughter




14

scholar

Paul

John

Downing

son




10

scholar

Paul

Henry

Downing

grand-son




3

scholar

Paul

SARAH-H

Tregenza

grand-daughter




3

scholar

Paul

1871 census Bell street Turpin’s Bank North Shields Tynemouth Northumberland RG10 piece 5112 folio 20 page 33 district 1 from www.findmypast.co.uk



GEORGE-H.

Tregenza

head

*

29

*

Cornwall

MARY-H.

Tregenza

wife

*

29

*

Cornwall

WILLIAM

Tregenza

son

*

6

*

Cornwall

GEORGE-H.

Tregenza

son

*

0

*

Northumberland

* no condition (married etc.) or occupation given

OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part B
1851 census Fradgan Newlyn HO107 piece 1918 folio 289 page 14 district 1e Schedule 63 from www.freecen.org.uk

William

Downing

head

married

35

shipwright

Cornwall - Paul

Mary

Downing

wife

married

33




Cornwall - Paul

Mary-Harvey

Downing

dau

-

9

scholar

Cornwall - Paul

Anne

Downing

dau

-

7

scholar

Cornwall - Paul

William

Downing

son

-

5

scholar

Cornwall - Paul

Arthur

Downing

son

-

4

scholar

Cornwall - Paul

Elizabeth

Downing

dau

-

1




Cornwall - Paul

1861 census 12 Upper Fradgan Newlyn RG9 piece 1592 folio 86 page 16 district 5 Schedule 92 from www.freecen.org.uk



William

Downing

head

married

45

shipwright

Cornwall - Paul

Mary-H.

Downing

wife

married

43




Cornwall - Paul

Mary-H.

Downing

dau

unmarried

19

cap maker

Cornwall - Paul

Anne

Downing

dau

unmarried

17

dressmaker

Cornwall - Paul

William

Downing

son

-

15

shipwright

Cornwall - Paul

Elizabeth

Downing

dau

-

11

scholar

Cornwall - Paul

Kitty

Downing

dau

-

8

scholar

Cornwall - Paul

Margaret

Downing

dau

-

6

scholar

Cornwall - Paul

Eliza-W.

Downing

dau

-

4

scholar

Cornwall - Paul

John

Downing

son

-

8m




Cornwall - Paul

1891 census Stret-an-Nowan, Fradgan, Newlyn Paul parish RG12/1856 district 6 folio 100 page 15 schedule 104 from www.findmypast.co.uk



William

Downing

head

married

75

shipwright (employee)

Paul

William

Downing

son

single

45

shipwright (employee)

Paul

SARAH

Tregenza

grand-daughter

single

23

housekeeper (employee)

Paul

version from www.findmypast.co.uk had Bonning as surname not Downing !

OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part B
1881 census Paul parish district 5 schedule 102 folio 102 page 19 address 13 Fradgan Newlyn

William

Downing

head

married

65

boat-builder

Paul

Mary-H.

Downing

wife

married

63

-

Paul

William

Downing

son

unmarried

35

boat-builder

Paul

Eliza-W.

Downing

daughter

unmarried

24

drapers assistant

Paul

Henry

Downing

grand-son




13

scholar

Paul

SARAH-W

Tregenza

grand-daughter




13

scholar

Paul

Note:


  • In the original St Erth family 4 (now part A) there was GEORGE born 1842 approx. Penzance district (age 9 the 1851 census) who was recorded as dying in Scotland. His father was living in Newlyn at the Fradgan at the 1841 census before GEORGE was born. GEORGE was in Newlyn (age 19 recorded as born in Madron parish) at the 1861 census and living with his parents at 8 Paul Hill. There are no records for him after 1861 ! The GEORGE-HENRY born 1842 approx. of Unconnected Family 102 married in Newlyn in 1862 to Mary-Harvey Downing who lived with her parents in the Fradgan less than a minute’s walk from 8 Paul Hill Newlyn and his son WILLIAM-DOWNING was born in less than nine months in 1863 at the Fradgan Newlyn. SARAH-WILLIAMS was his second child born 1867 at the Fradgan Newlyn. There are no records found for GEORGE-HENRY prior to his marriage. It was decided that these were the same people and so Unconnected Family 102 was joined to St Erth Family 4 as part B. Absolute proof would be a birth certificate but none could be found. Use of SARAH-WILLIAMS as first names occurs nowhere else and for SARAH-WILLIAMS born 1867 it would be her great-grandmother’s name and that of GEORGE’s aunt born 1851 died 1859 about eight years before his first daughter was born. Although the use of first names and the localities link the two families there is contradictory information in the death certificate of GEORGE-HENRY in Scotland which gave his mother’s surname as Daaris (not Downing) and his father’s occupation as brewer (not labourer) - this is presumably because of lack of information of his offspring. The first names of mother and father of both GEORGEs are the same. [The southern part of Newlyn is in Paul parish and the northern in Madron parish with the Coombe (river) as the boundary - much of Newlyn including all the non-conformist chapels, the harbour, Paul Hill, the Fradgan and 'uplong' are in Paul parish but St Peter's, the only Anglican church, is in Madron parish.]

OTHER INFORMATION ON ST ERTH FAMILY 4 (continued) part B
Note:

  • Other records

  • ELIZABETH-M. born 1931 Plantation Glasgow, died 1936 age 4 Cathcart Glasgow

  • GEORGE-ADDISON born 1929 Plantation Glasgow , died 1929 age 0 Plantation Glasgow

  • JAMES-LANGMUIR born 1909 approx., died 1986 age 77 Glasgow City

  • LIZZIE-BUSHNELL born 1907 approx., died 1987 age 80 Strathendrick Balfron Stirling (related surnames Andrews and Murch – probably daughter of WILLIAM-JOHN)

  • ROBERT born 1892 approx., died 1988 age 96 Glasgow City

  • WILLIAM born 1928 Plantation Glasgow

  • WILLIAMINA born 1920 Plantation Glasgow

ST ERTH FAMILY 5

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