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HUGH


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JOHN



1817

m Joanna-Dawes Pascoe

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WILLIAM-SPEAR JOHN EMILY HUGH-WILLIAM ALBERT-THEODORE

1839 1843 1846 1855 1859

m Louisa Hester m Catherine Hinsley m Sarah-Amelia Goman

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JOHN CONSTANCE

1871 1874

NOTES ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18a (LONDON/TOOTING)
HUGH gentleman servant at marriage of JOHN 1838
JOHN born 1817 approx. Cubert (see below) or Exeter Devon, married 26AUG1838 Kenwyn Church bachelor and cordwainer age 21 living Richmond Hill, shoemaker at birth and cordwainer at baptism of WILLIAM-SPEAR 1839, at 1861 census boot maker married age 44 born Exeter Devon living 14 New Road Chelsea, shoemaker at birth and cordwainer at baptism of JOHN 1843, master shoemaker at birth of HUGH-WILLIAM 1856, shoemaker living Wesley Street Camborne at birth of ALBERT-THEODORE 1859, boot-maker at marriage of son JOHN 1867 and HUGH- WILLIAM 1876, at 1871 census head of household are 54 born Cornwall living North Street Chelsea London Middlesex, shoemaker at marriage of ALBERT-THEODORE 1889, at 1891 census widower boot-maker age 74 born Cornwall living 30 Raphael Street Westminster, at 1901 census boot-maker (works on ‘own account’ ‘at home’) widower age 84 born Cornwall Cucbert (probably Cubert between Perranporth and Newquay) living in own rooms at 30 Raphael Street St Margaret and St John the Evangelist Westminster London, may be JOHN of Unconnected Family 144

x JOANNA-DAWES (ANNA or HANNAH) born 1818 approx. Cubert, at marriage spinster age 21 of Richmond Hill Kenwyn shoe binder, at 1861 census married age 44 born Cubert, at 1871 census wife age 53 born Devon


WILLIAM-SPEAR born 21MAY1839 at 1 Pall at Richmond Hill Kenwyn, baptised 03NOV1839 All Saints Marazion, died June quarter 1848 Marylebone district.

JOHN born 28JAN1843 College Street Camborne (see certificate), at 1861 census unmarried boot-maker age 18 born Camborne living with parents, married 23JUN1867 St James Westminster Middlesex at marriage bachelor of full age boot-maker living St James’ Street, at 1871 census head of household age 25 born Cornwall, died 28MAR1929 Queensland parents JOHN Tregenza and Hannah Pascoe (Queensland fiche)

x LOUISA born JAN1843 Fulham, at marriage spinster of full age living Piccadilly (father William Hester a gardener), at 1871 census wife age 28 born Middlesex, died 29DEC1914 Bulimba Queensland Australia parents given as WILLIAM-HESTER Tregenza & Harriet Fletcher

EMILY born 1846 approx. Camborne, at 1861 census scholar unmarried age 15 born Camborne living with parents



NOTES ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18a (LONDON/TOOTING) continued
HUGH-WILLIAM born 11FEB1856 at 10 New Street Brompton (Kensington District) London (Middlesex), at 1861 census age 5 born Middlesex living with parents, at 1871 census age 15 born Middlesex living with parents, married 07FEB1876 Chelsea registry office boot-maker and bachelor age 21 of 29 North Street Chelsea, at birth of HUGH-ALFRED 1876 shoe maker of 118 Ifield Road, at 1881 census (FHL film 1341011 PRO ref.RG11 piece 0047 folio 47 page 23) boot-maker and letter-carrier of 96 Ifield Road Kensington, at 1901 census assurance agent age 44 born Chelsea living Brighton, boot-maker at marriage of ALICE-CLARA 1907, departed 22AUG1908 single shoemaker on ship St Paul from Southampton to New York arrived Ellis Island USA (HENRY-WILLIAM) 29AUG1908 age 51 married English last residence Brighton on Saint Paul from Cherbourg France www.ellisisland.org, second cousin to the finder of the Welcome nugget and visited Australia to see the model of it departing 30JUL1915 married boot-maker age 59 with wife CATHERINE on ship Osterley departing London for Sydney, returned to U.K. from Sydney in 1924 with grand-daughter FLORENCE-MAY who travelled on to the USA

x CATHERINE (=KATE) born 1856 approx. Chelsea, spinster age 20 living 168 Walton Street Chelsea at marriage (father William Hinsley deceased tailor), at 1881 census wife age 25 born Chelsea Middlesex, at 1901 census age 44 born Chelsea, arrived Ellis Island USA 21DEC1908 age 51 married English on Saint Paul from Southampton last residence given as England with son HENRY-WILLIAM www.ellisisland.org, departed 30JUL1915 married age 59 with husband on ship Osterley from London for Sydney

ALBERT-THEODORE born 24JUL1859 Wesley Street Camborne, at 1861 census age 1 born Camborne living with parents, at 1871 census age 11 born Cornwall living with parents, at 1881 census unmarried boot-maker age 24 lodger at 14 Leader Street Chelsea, possible ALBERT attestation 16AUG1881 to Commissariat and Transport Corps soldier number 3950 age 23 born Camborne, married 03MAR1889 St John’s Church Fulham a saddler living 12 Farm Lane, at 1901 census gardener age 40 born Camborne living Steyning Sussex (full record not available from www.1901censusonline.com ), died June quarter 1907 Bromley district age 47, deceased harness maker at marriage of HENRY 1910, deceased harness maker at remarriage of HENRY

x SARAH-AMELIA born 1865 approx. London, spinster age 24 of 97 Harwood Road at marriage to ALBERT, at 1901 census age 35 born London living Steyning Sussex (full record not available from www.1901censusonline.com ), widow remarried 04AUG1907 to Alfred-William Granger at Aldrington Parish Church Steyning district


JOHN born 1871

CONSTANCE born 28MAR1874 Queensland Australia, 15APR1897 married Allan Baldwin (1870-1934) in Queensland, two sons and one daughter, died 25MAR1934 Nambour Queensland, one of sons is probably Owen-Tregenza Baldwin born 24JUL1905 Brisbane enlisted at Eumundi Queensland for second world war service number Q204857 next of kin Elizabeth Baldwin (sister?)


UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18 (LONDON/TOOTING)
part B

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HENRY

m1 Daisy-Florence Simmonds

m2 Annie-Adora Verrall

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HENRY-ALBERT LEONARD LESLIE

1911 1914 1929

m Doris-Lily Boon m Gertrude-Catherine Fayer

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MARION-LINDA ______|_____________________________________

1937 LESLIE-ALBERT SUSAN JEFFERY-PAUL

1950 1953 1956

m Susan-Margaret Rowe m Susan-Janet Davies

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MICHAEL-JAMES ANDREW-RICHARD SARAH-GAIL RACHEL-SARAH DAVID-JAMES

1971 1973 1974 1985 1989

m Dianna-Louise m ?

Clark née Wright |

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| ????????????

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ARRON-LLEWELYN XANTHE-CERYS SEREN-FLORENCE

2001 2003 2005

NOTES ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18b (LONDON/TOOTING)
HENRY born 1890-1892 approx. Chelsea London, married 26NOV1910 Brighton registry office bachelor age 20 livery coachman of 14 Kensington Street Brighton, at 1911 census head of household married groom at livery stable age 19 born Chelsea London living 23 Whitecross Street Brighton, groom (domestic) of 55 Washington Street Brighton at death of son LEONARD in 1914, groom at riding stables at birth of LESLIE 1929, groom at marriage of HENRY-ALBERT 1933, stableman at marriage of LESLIE 1949, second marriage 10SEP1949 register office Brighton widower age 56 cooperative society’s stableman living 2 Pevensey Road Brighton

x DAISY-FLORENCE 1892 approx. Brighton, at marriage spinster age 21 of 23 White Cross Street Brighton general servant, at 1911 census wife age 19 born Brighton and living 23 Whitecross Street Brighton

x ANNIE-ADORA born 1907 approx., at marriage widow of 42 years living 137 Moulsecoomb Way Brighton
HENRY-ALBERT born 1911 December quarter Brighton district, married 25OCT1933 Brighton registry office bachelor age 22 butcher’s salesman of 55 Washington Street Brighton, at marriage of MARION-LINDA 1961 described as ALBERT-HENRY butcher

x DORIS-LILY at marriage spinster age 21 gowns saleswoman of 22 Burlington Street Brighton

LEONARD born December quarter 1914 Brighton district (but mother’s maiden name is Groom), died suddenly of natural causes abscess of liver and pneumonia age 4 weeks document TREGENZA COR/3/2/1914/159 see www.nationalarchives.gov.uk ,

LESLIE born 12JAN1929 at 55 Washington Street Brighton, married 22OCT1949 Birkenhead; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

x GERTRUDE-CATHERINE born 1927 approx.; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.
MARION-LINDA born 1937, marriage 12AUG1961 Brighton; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

NOTES ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18b (LONDON/TOOTING) continued
LESLIE-ALBERT born 07SEP1950 Brighton, married 26AUG1970 Worthing; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

SUSAN-MARGARET born 1951 approx., married; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

SUSAN born September quarter 1953 Brighton district 5h101

JEFFERY-PAUL born March quarter 1956 Brighton; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

x SUSAN-JANET (=SUE) born Scotland; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.
MICHAEL-JAMES born 28FEB1971 Littlehampton, married 06OCT2001 Chichester; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

x DIANNA-LOUISE born 13APR1972 Brighton

ANDREW-RICHARD born September quarter 1973 Worthing district, married; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

SARAH-GAIL born December quarter 1974 Worthing district, married; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.


RACHEL-SARAH born 1985 Ashford district; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

DAVID-JAMES born 08NOV1989 Haywards Heath district); possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.


AARON-LLEWELYN born 05JAN2001 Worthing

XANTHE-CERYS born 08NOV2003 Worthing

SEREN-FLORENCE born27OCT2005 Worthing
UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18 (LONDON/TOOTING)
part C
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HUGH-ALFRED EDWARD-ALBERT HERBERT-WALTER ALICE-CLARA CHARLES-ERNEST HENRY-WILLIAM

1876 1880 1885 1886 1887 1891

m Helen Hadlow m Ivy-Evelyn Belton m Lily Snow m Florence Victoria Jubilee Hinsley

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| | EDITH KATHRYN |

| | 1911 1915 ____________|_________________________

| ____________|__________________________ JUNE-PAMELA CHARLES-HERBERT

| JOHN EVELYN-DORIS WARREN 1928 m Olive-May Lightfoot

| 1909 1918 1923 |

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| CHARLES-E-HUGH RITA-PAMELA

|________________________________ 1928 1929

FLORENCE-MAY HUGH-ALBERT m Hazel Clarke

1900 1907 ____________|____________

m Lillian Mary Hadlow MAURICE-H MARK

1959 1964

NOTES ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18c (LONDON/TOOTING)
HUGH-ALFRED born 11NOV1876 Brompton (Kensington district) 118 Ifield Road, at 1881 census age 4 born Kensington Middlesex living with parents, married 1899 ? recorded March quarter 1900 Brighton district 2b366, at 1901 census head of household general labourer (railway) age 24 born London Kensington living 38 Round Hill Crescent Brighton, arrived Ellis Island USA 01APR1906 age 29 English married last residence Brighton on Saint Louis from Southampton with his wife and daughter FLORENCE-MAY (dates do not quite match) www.ellisisland.org , departed 14NOV1924 married builder age 46 with wife and son on ship Orama from London to Sydney, possibly married for second time 1941 to Louisa Lillian SIMONS in Sydney, lived Australia, died 1945 Woollahra NSW

x HELEN(=NELL) born 1878 approx. Whitstable, at 1901 census ELLEN wife age 23 born Kent Whitstable, departed 19MAY1906 married age 28 with daughter on ship St Louis from Southampton for New York arrived Ellis Island USA 01APR1906 age 28 English married last residence Brighton on Saint Louis from Southampton with her husband and daughter FLORENCE-MAY (dates do not quite match) www.ellisisland.org. departed 14NOV1924 housewife age 46 with husband and son on ship Orama from London to Sydney

EDWARD-ALBERT born DEC1880 Kensington, at 1881 census age 0 born Kensington Middlesex living with parents, at 1901 census single boot-maker age 20 born Kensington, married September quarter 1903 Brighton district, arrived Ellis Island USA 05MAY1907 age 27 English married last residence Brighton on ship New York from Southampton with his wife www.ellisisland.org, lived USA.

x IVY-EVELYN born 1883 approx. (formerly thought to be JOY-EVELYN), arrived Ellis Island USA 05MAY1907 age 24 English married last residence Brighton on ship New York from Southampton with her husband www.ellisisland.org, IVY-EVELYN TREGENZA arrived Ellis Island USA 06MAY1914 age 32 English married last residence New York USA on ship Olympic from Southampton www.ellisisland.org., 10DEC1942 Palm Beach Post (newspaper) reported a list of British citizens that were naturalised including IVY-EVELYN of Lake Worth.

HERBERT-WALTER born 28SEP1885 Kensington, at 1901 census single telegraph messenger age 15 born Kensington, married before 31JUL1909 (September quarter 1909 Brighton district volume 4b page 447), arrived Ellis Island USA with his wife 31JUL1909 age 24 married English on Philadelphia from Southampton last residence Brighton www.ellisisland.org , departed 08OCT1924 on ship Majestic from Southampton to New York arrived Ellis Island USA 14OCT1924 age 39 US citizen of New York with wife their two daughters and his niece FLORENCE-MAY age 24 (from Sydney Australia) travelled on Majestic from Southampton www.ellisisland.org, lived USA, died OCT1965 Railroad Board USA.

x LILY born 1885 approx., arrived Ellis Island USA with her husband 31JUL1909 age 24 married English on Philadelphia from Southampton last residence Brighton www.ellisisland.org , 08OCT1924 departed Southampton for New York married housewife age 39, arrived Ellis Island USA 14OCT1924 age 39 US citizen of New York with husband their two daughters and his niece FLORENCE-MAY travelled on Majestic from Southampton www.ellisisland.org,



NOTES ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18c (LONDON/TOOTING) continued
ALICE-CLARA born 1886 approx. Kensington, at 1901 census single age 13 (occupation undecipherable) born Kensington, married 14SEP1907 Brighton registry office spinster age 21 to Claude-Frederick Hooper bachelor age 25 electrician both or 28 Baker Street Brighton witnesses HUGH and CATHERINE Tregenza

CHARLES-ERNEST born 02MAY1887 Kensington, at 1901 census single errand boy age 17 born Kensington, married his cousin December quarter 1907 Wandsworth district volme 1d page 1138, died 21MAR1969 at death lived 70 Bickersteth Road London SW17 [administration (London)] or died Sheridan buried 21FEB1973 Mcbrides Montcalm MI 48888 social security number 372030196 issued Michigan before 1951 (website record www.rootsweb.com/~mimontca/hillside/htm ) see also AMELIA Unconnected Family 26

x FLORENCE-VICTORIA-JUBILEE born 08MAR1884, died June quarter 1975 at family home 70 Bickersteth Road London SW17 (information from her will which adds her middle forename.

HENRY-WILLIAM born 1891 approx. Fulham, at 1901 census age 8 born Fulham, arrived Ellis Island USA 21DEC1908 age 17 single English on Saint Paul from Southampton last residence given as England with mother www.ellisisland.org.


EDITH born 1911 approx.; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

KATHRYN born 1915 approx.; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.


JUNE-PAMELA born September quarter 1928 Wandsworth; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

CHARLES-HERBERT married Lightfoot June quarter 1928 Wandsworth district, died 26JUN1956 at death lived 121 Totterdown Street Tooting, administration (London) to OLIVE-MAY, note problem of dates his children born close to birth of his sister !

x OLIVE-MAY
JOHN born 1909 approx.

EVELYN-DORIS born 04MAR1918, married; possibly a living person so personal information has been reduced.

WARREN born 1923 approx. lived Hammonton New Jersey and moved to Florida in late 1930s or early 1940s, worked with Western Union, 02FEB1944 Palm Beach Post (newspaper) reports raised to ‘motor machinist mate 2/c Navy’ and expected to visit parents soon in Lake Worth, died in 1970s age 90 (not possible).

NOTES ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18c (LONDON/TOOTING) continued
CHARLES-E-HUGH born September quarter 1928 Lambeth district, married Clarke March quarter 1956 Wandsworth district

x HAZEL


RITA-PAMELA born December quarter 1929 Lambeth district, married W Martin (but can't find the record)
FLORENCE-MAY born June quarter 1900 Brighton district, at 1901 census age 10 months living with parents, departed 19MAY1906 age 6 on ship St Louis from Southampton for New York with mother arrived Ellis Island USA 26MAY1906 age 6 single English on Saint Louis from Southampton last residence Brighton www.ellisisland.org , may = FLORENCE-M married Williams June quarter 1920 Redruth district, in 1924 travelled with grandfather from Sydney Australia and then to USA with uncle and aunt (HERBERT and LILY) arrived Ellis Island 14OCT1924 age 24 married English on Majestic from Southampton last residence Sydney Australia www.ellisisland.org, probably FLORENCE-M typist age 24 departed 29JUN1925 on ship Jervis Bay from London to Sydney, died 1950

HUGH-ALBERT born 30SEP1907 New York USA, departed 14NOV1924 scholar age 16 with parents on ship Orama from London to Sydney, married 1937 Lillian Mary Hadlow at Woollahara NSW, enlisted for second world war at Sellheim Queensland service number NX164997 next of kin LILIAN (wife), lives Australia


MAURICE-H born December quarter 1959 N.E. Surrey district

MARK born June quarter 1964 Wandsworth district



OTHER INFORMATION ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18 (LONDON/TOOTING)
Constructed from information from:

  1. Unconnected Families 57 (Worthing), 60 (UK) (Fulham), 107 (Fulham) and 117 (Hayward’s Heath) were added here (see below)

  2. letters from JUNE-PAMELA TREGENZA with parts confirmed from wills

  3. email from Ardith-L. Senych on her grand-parents EDWARD-ALBERT and IVY-EVELYN, uncle WARREN and mother EVELYN-DORIS

  4. email from DIANNA-LOUISE 16JAN2014 giving information about her family and some about close relatives

  5. birth certificates of JOHN 1843, WILLIAM-SPEAR 1839, HUGH-ALFRED 1876 and HUGH-WILLIAM 1856

  6. the marriage certificates of JOHN to Joanna Pascoe 1838, JOHN to Louisa Hester 1867, HUGH-WILLIAM to Catherine Hinsley 1876, HENRY to Annie-Adora Verrall 1949 and ALICE-CLARA to Claude-Frederick Hooper 1907

  7. census and other records from Lyn Nash lynnash@webaxs.net

  8. passenger records from www.ellisisland.org

  9. pre-registration record WILLIAM baptised 1839 from www.freereg.org.uk

  10. general register records

  11. death record fiche at St Catherine’s House read by Arthur Childs

  12. US Social Security death record from www.familysearch.org

  13. www.facebook.com

  14. www.mundia.com.au gave details of JOHN 1871 his parents and CONSTANCE his sister

  15. British Army Service Records from www.findmypast.co.uk

  16. Passenger lists leaving UK from www.findmypast.co.uk

  17. The Palm Beach Post 02FEB1944 from http://news.google.com/newspapers quoting WARREN and his parents (see below)

  18. The Palm Beach Post 10DEC1942 from http://news.google.com/newspapers quoting naturalisation of IVY-EVELYN

  19. Part C partly confirmed by Parson's Family history http://parsons.history.tripod.com/id2.html

  20. http://recordsearch.naa.gov.au National Archives of Australia especially armed services enlistment records

  21. 1861, 1871, 1881 & 1891 census from www.findmypast.co.uk, plus 1901 and 1911 censuses from www.1901censusonline.com (see below)

OTHER INFORMATION ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18 (LONDON/TOOTING) continued
Unconnected Family 57 (HENRY married DAISY and their offspring plus his father ALBERT-THEODORE) was constructed from:

  1. Unconnected Family 91 (Brighton) was added here (see below)

  2. the marriage certificates of HENRY to Daisy-Florence Simmonds, HENRY-ALBERT to Doris-Lily Boon, LESLIE to Gertrude-Catherine Fayer, LESLIE-ALBERT to Susan-Margaret Rowe and MARION-LINDA to Dennis-Robert-George Laker

  3. the birth certificates of LESLIE 1929 and LESLIE-ALBERT 1950

  4. general registry records

  5. www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

Unconnected Family 60 (JOHN 1817, HUGH 1855, his first four children [1876-1886], FLORENCE-MAY 1900 and HUGH-ALBERT 1907) was constructed from:



    1. relationships without dates from HUGH-ALBERT 1907 via Nola Vella 20 William Street Leopold 3224 Victoria Australia

    2. Queensland and New South Wales fiche via Sandra Tregenza PO Box 932 Geelong 3220 Victoria Australia giving marriages of HUGH-ALBERT and HUGH-ALFRED plus the death of HUGH-ALBERT

    3. general registry record of the birth of FLORENCE-MAY 1900

    4. information form the birth certificate of HUGH-ALBERT

Unconnected Family 91 (LESLIE married Fayer and their three children) was constructed from:



  1. matching birth records with the same mother’s maiden name from general registry records

  2. general registry records for marriages

  3. certificates of LESLIE and LESLIE-ALBERT (which connected these families)

Unconnected Family 107 (ALBERT-THEODORE 1860, his wife and parents JOHN and HANNAH née Pascoe) was constructed from:



  1. marriage records from www.freeBMD.org.uk

  2. marriage certificate of ALBERT to SARAH-AMELIA and her to Alfred-William Granger

  3. birth certificate of ALBERT-THEODORE 1859

OTHER INFORMATION ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18 (LONDON/TOOTING) continued

Unconnected Family 117 (RACHEL-SARAH, DAVID-JAMES and father JEFF) was constructed from:



  1. constructed from matching birth records with the same mother’s maiden name

  2. www.facebook.com

  3. birth certificate DAVID-JAMES 1989 (which connected these families)

1861 census 14 New Road Chelsea London Middlesex piece 36 folio 21 page 40 from www.findmypast.co.uk

JOHN

Tregenza

head

married

44

boot maker

Exeter Devon

ANNA

Tregenza

wife

married

43




Cubert Cornwall

JOHN

Tregenza

son

unmarried

18

boot maker

Camborne Cornwall

EMILY

Tregenza

daughter

unmarried

15

scholar

Camborne Cornwall

HUGH

Tregenza

son




5




Middlesex

ALBERT

Tregenza

son




1




Camborne Cornwall

1871 census Ifield Road St Mary Abbott Kensington London Middlesex RG10 piece 55 folio 32 page 56 from www.findmypast.co.uk



JOHN

Tregenza

head

*

25

*

Cornwall

LOUISA

Tregenza

wife

*

28

*

Middlesex

* no condition (married etc.) or occupation given

OTHER INFORMATION ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18 (LONDON/TOOTING) continued
1871 census North Street Chelsea London Middlesex RG10 piece 87 folio 51 page 51 from www.findmypast.co.uk

JOHN

Tregenza

head

*

54

*

Cornwall

HANNAH

Tregenza

wife

*

53

*

Devon

HUGH

Tregenza

son

*

15

*

Middlesex

ALBERT

Tregenza

son

*

11

*

Cornwall

John

Ward

lodger

*

40

*

Staffordshire

Ann Coke

Ward

lodger

*

40

*

Devon

Ann

Shepherd

lodger

*

24

*

Northamptonshire

Clara

Godhart

lodger

*

21

*

not known

Roland

Rugg

lodger

*

24

*

Gloucestershire

James

Rugg

lodger

*

13

*

Gloucestershire

LOUISA

Tregenza

wife

*

28

*

Middlesex

* no condition (married etc.) or occupation given

1881 census 96 Ifield Road Kensington London Middlesex RG11 piece 47 folio 47 page 23 from www.findmypast.co.uk



HUGH

Tregenza

head

married

26

boot maker *

Kensington Middlesex

KATE

Tregenza

wife

married

25




Chelsea Middlesex

HUGH-A.

Tregenza

son

single

4




Kensington Middlesex

EDWARD-A.

Tregenza

son

single

0




Kensington Middlesex

* and letter carrier

1891 census 30 Raphael Street Westminster London RG12/83 folio 127 page 33 from www.findmypast.co.uk



JOHN

Tregenza

head

74

boot maker

Cornwall


OTHER INFORMATION ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18 (LONDON/TOOTING) continued

1901 census 38 Round Hill Crescent Brighton RG13/928 schedule 172 page 22



HUGH

Tregenza

head

44

Assurance agent

London Chelsea

CATHERINE

Tregenza

wife

44




London Chelsea

EDWARD-ALBERT

Tregenza

son

20

boot-maker

London Kensington

CHARLES-ERNEST

Tregenza

son

17

errand boy

London Kensington

HERBERT-WALTER

Tregenza

son

15

telegraph messenger

London Kensington

ALICE-CLARA

Tregenza

daur

13

undecipherable

London Kensington

HENRY-WILLIAM

Tregenza

son

8




London Fulham

1901 census 38 Round Hill Crescent Brighton RG13/928 schedule 172 page 22



HUGH-ALBERT

Tregenza

head

24

general labourer *

London Kensington

ELLEN

Tregenza

wife

23




Kent Whitstable

FLORENCE

Tregenza

daur

10m




Sussex Brighton

* on railway

1911 census 23 Whitecross Street Brighton RG14/5133 from www.1901censusonline.com



HENRY

Tregenza

head




Groom livery stable

London Chelsea

DAISY-FLORENCE

Tregenza

wife







Sussex Brighton


OTHER INFORMATION ON UNCONNECTED FAMILY 18 (LONDON/TOOTING) continued

In the Service section of ‘The Palm Beach Post’ 2nd February 1944 from http://news.google.com/newspapers

A WARREN Tregenza formerly with the Western Union here has been advanced to motor machinist mate 2/c Navy and expects to make a visit home soon according to word received by his parents Mr & Mrs E A Tregenza, Lake Worth’.


Note:


  • If the story of HUGH-WILLIAM being second cousin to the finder of the Welcome nugget is correct then HUGH at the head of this family must be one and the same as HUGH born 1759 who married Ann Skews and is head of Australian Family 6.

  • Various stories of the discovery of the Kohinoor diamond in Australia are probably erroneous memories of the Welcome gold nugget found by (WILLIAM 1822 Australian family 6). The Kohinoor diamond was discovered in India ! See St Erth Family 2 (AMOS 1842) and Unconnected Family 6 (formerly 24) for stories of nuggets/diamonds/gold.

  • See Unconnected Family 144 for JOHN Tregenza boot and shoe manufacturer of Oxford Street Middlesex bankrupt

  • Other records:

  1. ELLA mentioned in will of EDITH died 09NOV1912 Hackney.

  2. See also will in Cornish Record Office of MARY widow of HUGH 25MAY1827.

  3. Also HUGH died age 89 in 1945 Camberwell.

  4. KATHLEEN-GERTRUDE death 25AUG1954 Stratton district Cornwall a widow of 5 Grenville Terrace Bude (administration 18SEP1954) probably not the same person as GERTRUDE-CATHERINE wife of LESLIE

UCF20


UNCONNECTED FAMILY 20 (ILLOGAN)

General
USA Family 1 part A was formerly the offspring of EDWARD 1753 St Erth family 1 but this connection was not safe (see notes below). It included just the four brothers EDWARD, JOHN, JAMES and THOMAS of this family and many of the offspring of JOHN and JAMES.
The other offspring of JOHN and the offspring of EDWARD were USA families 2, 3 and 4. These are now merged in the old Unconnected Family 20 (which gave the daughters also) to form a new Unconnected Family 20 as shown by the table below:
former became Unconnected Family 20

Unconnected Family 20 (old) part A (Edward married Mary and all nine children)

USA Family 1 part A part A (four brothers and some of their offspring)

USA Family 1 part B part B

USA Family 1 part C part C

USA Family 2 part A part D

USA Family 2 part B part E

USA Family 3 part F

USA Family 4 part G

See Unconnected Family 20 part A for details and stories about three of the brothers.


Constructed from information from

  1. letters from John Faull (1462 Meridian Avenue San Jose CA95125) and Don Bousfield (531 Willow Avenue Milpitas CA95035)

  2. emails from Lyn Nash lynnash@webaxs.net

UNCONNECTED FAMILY 20 (ILLOGAN)

General (continued)
Unconnected Family 27 may fit in here and, if it does, it provides the offspring of the fourth brother. Assuming Unconnected Family 27 fits here the children of the four brothers was as below – this seems to indicate that the fit is good as does the match of dates, places and brother’s name.
EDWARD JOHN JAMES THOMAS

Edward John Mary-Jane Mary

Mary James James Thomas

James Joseph Ellen

Thomas Edward Edward

John Elizabeth-Jane Lilla

Elizabeth Thomas James

Dell-Gracia Frank

Annie

Note that the first daughter born has the father’s mother’s name Mary in three cases. The first son born has the father’s name and subsequent sons have their father’s brothers’ names (from the letter of John Faull and Don Bousfield 11NOV1997).

Unconnected Family 95 (USA) was temporarily formed between 2000 and 2005 and almost immediately it was realised that it belonged to this family. No record of the unconnected family was kept.

UNCONNECTED FAMILY 20 (ILLOGAN)

General (continued)
Notes on the connection USA family 1 with Unconnected Family 20 rather than St Erth Family 1 as formerly
The link of the four brothers EDWARD 1810, JOHN 1812, JAMES 1819/1825 and THOMAS 1824/6 with father EDWARD 1753 and mother MARTHA of St Erth Family 1 is unsafe and the connection with the original Unconnected Family 20 is preferred. The link with St Erth Family 1 was made on the basis of the information provided in the early days of creation of this tree (see letter from John Faull 27JUL1999 below). In the succeeding decades further information was collected in particular in the 1990s by John Faull and Lyn Nash (see below). In 2010 the USA families were merged with Unconnected Family 20. A summary of the reasons for the link with Unconnected Family 20 being preferred to that with St Erth Family 1 are:


  1. EDWARD and MARTHA are associated with the St Erth and Lelant area. However the two brothers EDWARD 1810 and JOHN 1812 gave their mother as MARY not Martha and their parish of birth as Illogan. Early records in Unconnected Family 20 are for Carn Brea / Illogan area.

  2. EDWARD the father was born 1753 and died 1818 which means that the brothers were born to a father in his fifties (EDWARD 1810 and JOHN 1812) or after he died (JAMES and THOMAS).

  3. The four brothers in Unconnected Family 20 have similar dates and their father EDWARD was born 1780 approx. married 1808 so had his children between his age 28-46 approx. and he died in his 60s between 1841 and 1851.

  4. The use of -ZER, -ZAR, -SAR, -SER and –SON endings to the surname also links up between USA families and the original Unconnected Family 20.

  5. The census and other records in Unconnected Family 20 link up with the dates of the four brothers (marriages, emigration/immigration etc.) It is unlikely that there are two families at this time with four brothers with the same first names and dates.

Lyn Nash in an email gives details of EDWARD baptised 1814 that she believes is a son of EDWARD and MARTHA (see St Erth Family 1) and who is still in Cornwall at the 1881 census. This she believes prevents USA Family 1 being joined to St Erth Family 1 and means that it must join UCF 20.


A letter from John Faull 27JUL1999 indicates that the unlikely link of EDWARD 1753 to EDWARD 1810 probably came from EDWIN-TREWAVAS Tregenza married to HARRIET (Newlyn family 1) and has been traced to a letter they sent to ELBERT and RUTH Tregenza 29DEC1932 (of this family) which mentioned the tree. JOHN-ROBINSON 1944 their grandson provided a copy of it. John Faull was convinced of the link with Unconnected Family 20.

UNCONNECTED FAMILY 20 (ILLOGAN)

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