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Period and ancient drinking straws.
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From: Bronwynmgn at aol.com

Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 20:22:16 EDT

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] How old are drinking straws?

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org


Stefan li Rous writes:

> That made me wonder just how early drinking straws are?

> Were they used in medieval times? Even if used in Classical

> times this wouldn't necessarily indicate use in the Middle Ages.

> Anyone know? While of course plastic ones are modern they

> can be made of other materials, paper, metal, glass, reeds.


There are some metal straws apparently used for drinking sacramental wine in

the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York. I'm afraid I don't remember

exactly what century or culture they are from, but they were in the medieval

rooms. I believe the theory had something to do with it being sacrilegious

to spill even a drop of consecrated wine, and the straw helped prevent

spilling.


Brangwayna Morgan

From: "Daniel Phelps"


To:

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] How old are drinking straws?

Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:57:53 -0400


My copy of "Wassail! In Mazers of Mead" G.R. Gayre Phillimore & Sons. Ltd.

London 1948, page 31 figures 2 & 3 shows line drawings of "Beer drinking

through tubes in ancient Babylonia" and "Bottling Beer by syphon in Ancient

Egypt." Unforunately it does not give a reference to their sources.


Daniel Raoul

Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:09:38 -0400

From: Philip & Susan Troy

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] How old are drinking straws?
Mark.S Harris wrote:

> Chirhart commented:

>>Arrg yes if he be fitted with a new fangled straw

>>

> That made me wonder just how early drinking straws are?



> Were they used in medieval times? Even if used in Classical

> times this wouldn't necessarily indicate use in the Middle Ages.

> Anyone know? While of course plastic ones are modern they

> can be made of other materials, paper, metal, glass, reeds.

>

> I would think when they were used they would show up



> in drawings of table settings or elsewhere.
They appear in illustrations of ancient Egyptians and Mesopotamians

drinking beer, IIRC.


Adamantius

Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 13:16:49 -0400

From: johnna holloway

To: sca-cooks at ansteorra.org

Subject: Re: [Sca-cooks] How old are drinking straws?
Drinking Straws

In 1888, Marvin Stone patented the spiral winding process to

manufacture the first paper drinking straws. Stone was already a

manufacturer of paper cigarette holders. His idea was to make

paper drinking straws. Before his straws, beverage drinkers

were using the natural rye grass straws.

The product was patented on January the 3rd, 1888.

Later other kinds of spiral-wound paper and non-paper products were

made.
Stone Industrial History The Way Things Work - Drinking Straws

taken from

http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blstraws.htm
Johnna Holloway Johnnae llyn Lewis

From: Christina Nevin

To: "SCA-Cooks (E-mail)"

Subject: [Sca-cooks] How old are drinking straws?

Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 12:15:32 +0100
That made me wonder just how early drinking straws are?

Were they used in medieval times? Even if used in Classical

times this wouldn't necessarily indicate use in the Middle Ages.

Anyone know? While of course plastic ones are modern they

can be made of other materials, paper, metal, glass, reeds.

I would think when they were used they would show up

in drawings of table settings or elsewhere.

Stefan li Rous


Drinking straws are pre-Classical. They were used in ancient Egypt from the

first dynasties, and probably pre-historic, for drinking beer, so as to not

ingest the gritty bits, and are depicted in various tombs (sorry at work so

can't give you actual references, just trust me on this one). Can't comment



on their MA usage though.
Lucrezia


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