Kgg-mp/1A/11. 00 The House met at eleven of the clock, mr. Chairman in the Chair obituary reference to justice V. R. KRISHNA IYER mr. Chairman



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MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Please. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, just one point. ...(Interruptions)... You will agree with me that the Government is not giving an assurance. ...(Interruptions)... The Government is not giving an assurance. We want you, as the Chair, to at least assure the House that such a serious matter will not go unattended and any attempt to distort the Indian Constitution will not be allowed, like this sort of wrongful conversions...(Interruptions)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: You know that the Government has also come into existence by taking oath on the Constitution. So, they will abide by the Constitution. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: I agree, Sir.

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If there is a violation of the Constitution, you have ample ways of raising it here through proper means. Then do that. Now, let me...(Interruptions)... See, I agree with you. The Government which has taken oath on the Constitution is bound to abide by the Constitution principles. And, if there is any violation, there are rules in the Rule Book through which you may take it up. Do it like that. Now, let me take up the Zero Hour ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, I will do that. Before that, all the Members ...(Interruptions)....

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: If you want further discussion, give separate notice. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: Sir, I would give a separate notice. ...(Interruptions)...

श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा : मिनिस्टर हैं ..(व्यवधान)..

श्री वी.पी.सिंह बदनौर : नोटिस दें..(व्यवधान).. आप accept करें..(व्यवधान)..यह नोटिस के बाद ही आएगा..(व्यवधान)..ऐसा कैसे हो सकता है? ..(व्यवधान)..

श्री नरेश अग्रवाल : आप हमारी बात भी तो सुनें..(व्यवधान)..यूपी में हमारी गवर्नमेंट है..(व्यवधान)..हमारी भी तो सुनेंगे..(व्यवधान)..

श्री उपसभापति : सुन लिया, सबकी सुन ली ..(व्यवधान)..क्या है? ..(व्यवधान)..

श्री नरेश अग्रवाल : नहीं सुनी..(व्यवधान)..

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Now, please. ...(Interruptions)... If you want, give separate notice. ...(Interruptions)... You can give a separate notice if you want further discussion. ...(Interruptions)...

(FOLLOWED BY HK/1F)



HK-PSV/1F/11.25

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: I will give a separate notice. ...(Interruptions)...

श्री उपसभापति: आप दूसरा नोटिस दे दीजिए। ...(व्यवधान)... उसका क्या करना है? ...(व्यवधान)... मैंने सुन लिया। ...(व्यवधान)... मैंने सबको सुन लिया कि उनका क्या कहना है। ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री अली अनवर अंसारी: सर, आप हमारी पार्टी को मौका नहीं दे रहे हैं। ...(व्यवधान)... शरद जी खड़े होकर बैठ गए। ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री उपसभापति: मैं क्या करूँ? ...(व्यवधान)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: We will give a separate notice. I am asking the Chair to give an assurance that the Constitution of India will be protected. ...(Interruptions)...

श्री वी.पी. सिंह बदनौर: सर, ...(व्यवधान)...

प्रो. राम गोपाल यादव: सर, ...(व्यवधान)... गवर्नमेंट को इस पर ध्यान देना चाहिए और इसकी निंदा करनी चाहिए। ...(व्यवधान)... इस पर रोक लगाने के लिए सख्त कार्रवाई करनी चाहिए। ...(व्यवधान)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: What can I do? ...(Interruptions)... Everybody is speaking. ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI SITARAM YECHURY: They are also speaking. ...(Interruptions)...

श्री तरुण विजय: नफरत के आधार पर राजनीति मत करिए। ...(व्यवधान)... संविधान का सम्मान कीजिए। ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री सतीश चन्द्र मिश्रा: सर, उनको तो शान्त कीजिए। ...(व्यवधान)... वे कितने एजिटेट हो रहे हैं! ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री विनय कटियार: उनका कोई दोष नहीं है। ...(व्यवधान)... उनका कोई दोष नहीं है। ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री उपसभापति: बैठिए, बैठिए। ...(व्यवधान)... आप बैठिए। ...(व्यवधान)... Hon. Members, I know some of you are agitated over the issue and ...(Interruptions)...

SHRI TARUN VIJAY: We respect the law and the Constitution. ...(Interruptions)...

श्री उपसभापति: तरुण जी, बैठिए। ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री मोहम्मद अली खान: सर, ...(व्यवधान)... इनके प्रधान मंत्री कहते हैं कि...(व्यवधान)...

محمد علی خان : سر، ۔۔۔(مداخلت)۔۔۔۔ انکے پردھان منتری کہتے ہیں کہ ۔۔۔(مداخلت)۔۔۔۔

श्री नरेश अग्रवाल: सर, आप उनको नहीं बिठा रहे हैं। ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री उपसभापति: नरेश जी, बैठिए। ...(व्यवधान)... तरुण जी, बैठिए। ...(व्यवधान)...

श्री मोहम्मद अली खान: सर, ...(व्यवधान)...

محمد علی خان : سر، ۔۔۔(مداخلت)۔۔۔۔

श्री उपसभापति: आप सुनिए। ...(व्यवधान)...

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Some of the hon. Members have already raised this issue. They have expressed their sentiments and Government should take note of it. That is all what I have to say. If Members want any discussion, there is a way. You can give notice. But now without notice, we have already spent half-an-hour. I have already told you that Government has come into existence by taking oath of the Constitution. So, the Government is bound by the Constitution and the Government should uphold and adhere to the principles of the Constitution. If there is any violation of the principles of Constitution, it is for the Government to take note of it and take action. And if there is any such violation, I hope the Government will take note of it and take action. For you, Members on this side, if you want to raise it, there are means of raising it. There are provisions in the Rule Book. You go through the Rule Book and find out the proper provision and give notice. Hon. Chairman will consider it. So, now, I am calling it a day for this subject. ...(Interruptions)... Now, we will take Zero Hour; Shrimati Kanimozhi. ...(Interruptions)...

(Ends)
LANGUAGE POLICY IN EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTIONS



SHRIMATI KANIMOZHI (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I wish to bring to the notice of the House the changes to the language policy in educational institutions. In July, the Government issued a circular to celebrate 'Sanskrit Week' in CBSE schools. Following this, the Government issued an order regarding the Teachers' Day. In Tamil Nadu it is called 'Aasiriyar Dinam' but the Government generalized it and said that it has to be renamed as 'Guru Utsav'.

(Contd. by KSK/1G)

hk -- KSK/SCH/11.30/1G



SHRIMATI KANIMOZHI (CONTD.): A lot of parties in Tamil Nadu and many other States opposed this move. When questioned about these moves, the Government came up with half-hearted excuses.

Now, finally, we have the recent decision to replace German with Sanskrit as a third language taught in Kendriya Vidyalayas, which has been taken in the middle of an academic year. While these decisions are clear attempts to impose a language over the entire country, they also reveal a shocking insensitivity towards 70,000 students. When confronted about these actions by the Supreme Court, the Government has conceded that no exam would be conducted for Sanskrit this year and it would allow the students, who wish to learn German, to continue to learn it as an additional language. This means that if a child wants to learn a language other than Sanskrit, he or she can pursue that as an extra burden apart from the curriculum, which makes learning Sanskrit mandatory. Many schools, which have accepted this move, are forcing many students to learn Sanskrit and, in a way, are taking away the right of students to learn their own mother-tongues because another language is being enforced on them. Forcing a particular language on students also threatens the secular fabric of this country.

The hon. Minister tried to justify her decision by quoting the three-language formula under the National Policy on Education, 1986, and the National Curriculum Framework, 2005. However, the three-language formula aimed at promoting multi-linguism and national harmony. It originally called for teaching a Southern language in Hindi-speaking States as a third language.

Sir, I would like to ask the Government and Members here if they do know of any schools in North India which teach South Indian languages, like Tamil, Telugu, Kannada or Malayalam. But most of the South Indian States have been forced to learn Hindi. I don’t think there has been any effort made in the past 30 years, as the Government had promised, to learn any language other than Hindi. Now, of course, we are being forced to learn Sanskrit. The Government has recently agreed to......



MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Okay, time is over. Names of all the Members, who associate, will be added.

SHRI D. RAJA (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRI TIRUCHI SIVA (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

DR. E.M. SUDARSANA NATCHIAPPAN (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

DR. K.P. RAMALINGAM (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRI K. RAHMAN KHAN (KARNATAKA): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRI T.K. RANGARAJAN (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRI V. HANUMANTHA RAO (TELANGANA): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRI HUSAIN DALWAI (MAHARASHTRA): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRI JESUDASU SEELAM (ANDHRA PRADESH): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRI DEREK O’BRIEN (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRIMATI RAJANI PATIL (MAHARASHTRA): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

SHRI DIGVIJAYA SINGH (MADHYA PRADESH): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by Shrimati Kanimozhi.

(Ends)


PASSING OF RIGHTS TO FOREST DWELLERS AND TRIBALS

BY STATES UNDER FOREST RIGHTS ACT

SHRI MADHUSUDAN MISTRY (GUJARAT): Sir, I would like to thank you for allowing me to speak on this matter. In 2006, the Government of India had passed the Forest Rights Act. As a result, nearly 8 crore people, who are living in the forest areas comprising of tribals and forest dwellers both, who have a community right over the forest as well as those who are cultivating the forest, should be granted that land and they should be recognised as cultivators. Sir, very unfortunate part is that many States have hardly paid any attention to it despite the fact that the Tribal Affairs Ministry, I think the Tribal Affairs Minister is here, if I am not wrong, is the nodal agency to see to it that this gets implemented by the States. We did not put the Forest Department as the nodal agency because we knew the mind of the Forest Department that it would not part with the forest land as well as the community forest. However, many officers of the Forest Department have been transferred by the States to the Tribal Affairs Ministry, who have a completely different attitude of not granting the land to the tribals as well as the forest dwellers.

Sir, many States have not even constituted a Committee, as far as the forest dwellers are concerned, because there is a condition put forth before the forest dwellers that they have to prove that they are living there since past three generations. The Tribal Affairs Ministry has interpreted this provision as if they have to prove that for the last 72 years, they are staying there. As a result, none of the forest dwellers, in a State like Gujarat or Rajasthan, is given a forest land despite the fact that they have been cultivating the land for years.



(Contd. by 1H – GSP)

GSP-VNK-11.35-1H

SHRI MADHUSUDAN MISTRY (CONTD.): I would also like to bring to the notice of the House another fact. Sir, Kaka Kalelkar Commission was appointed in 1952. Many of the people originally belonging to tribal community, were enumerated in the 1931 Census of the British as non-tribal because the princely State at that time told them that if they would write or tell the Commission that they were tribal, then, they would be required to marry their girls in still lower community, and, hence, they, in fact, are all in OBC community at present. So, they being original tribal people, enumerated as OBC, now have become the forest dwellers. The Government has... (Time-bell)....

MR. DEPUTY CHAIRMAN: Time is over. Now, Shri Naresh Agarwal. ...(Interruptions)... All the associations may be added.

SHRI ANANDA BHASKAR RAPOLU (TELANGANA): Sir, I associate myself with the matter raised by the hon. Member.

श्रीमती विप्लव ठाकुर (हिमाचल प्रदेश): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करती हूँ।

श्री दिग्विजय सिंह (मध्य प्रदेश): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

श्री मोती लाल वोरा (छत्तीसगढ़): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

SHRIMATI RENUKA CHOWDHURY (ANDHRA PRADESH): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by the hon. Member.

(Ends)


MEMBERS OF PARLIAMENT ADARSH GRAM YOJANA

श्री नरेश अग्रवाल (उत्तर प्रदेश): माननीय उपसभापति महोदय, इस सरकार ने सारे सांसदों को एक पत्र लिखा, जिसमें कहा गया कि प्रधान मंत्री जी चाहते हैं कि हर सांसद एक-एक गांव गोद ले। श्रीमन्, इसमें पहले तो शब्द ही बड़ी टिपिकल टाइप का था। करीब-करीब सभी सांसदों ने एक-एक गांव छांटा, लेकिन सरकार ने आज तक यह नहीं बताया कि जो गांव हम गोद ले रहे हैं, जिसको हम चूज कर रहे हैं, उसका क्या डेवलपमेंट होगा, उसके लिए क्या नियम होंगे, उसके लिए पैसा कहां से आएगा? श्रीमन्, एक प्रॉब्लम और पैदा हो गई है, हम तो राज्य सभा के हैं, लेकिन जो लोक सभा के एमपीज़ हैं, उनके सामने यह प्रॉब्लम पैदा हुई कि उनके पांच-पांच, सात-सात विधान सभा क्षेत्रों में अगर वे एक ही गांव गोद लेते हैं, तो फिर और गांव वाले कहते हैं, दूसरी विधान सभा के गांव वाले कहते हैं कि फिर वोट क्या उन्हीं से लोगे, हमसे नहीं लोगे? राज्य सरकार पहले ही इस तरह की योजना चला रही है, ऐसा नहीं है कि इस तरह की योजना नहीं है। उत्तर प्रदेश में "लोहिया ग्राम योजना" और "जनेश्वर मिश्र ग्राम योजना" चल रही है, जिसमें एक-एक एमएलए एक कांस्टीट्युएंसी के दस-दस गांव ले रहे हैं, जिसमें गाइडलाइन भी है कि इसके लिए पैसा कहां से आएगा, लेकिन इस सरकार ने अभी तक इसके लिए कोई गाइडलाइन नहीं इश्यू की है। मैं तो संसदीय कार्य मंत्री जी से कहूंगा कि आप ही बता दें। आप ज्यादा योग्य हैं, इसलिए आप यह बता दें कि आखिर इस योजना का स्वरूप क्या है? आप गांव में क्या-क्या काम कराएंगे और उस काम के लिए पैसा कहां से आएगा और उसको आप कब तक रिलीज करेंगे? सर, आज मीडिया ने इसको बहुत हाईलाइट कर दिया कि फलां एमपी ने यह गांव गोद ले लिया, जिन्होंने नहीं लिया, उनकी आलोचना शुरू हो गई, तो लोगों ने और गांव गोद लेना शुरू कर दिया, शायद ही कुछ लोग छूटे हों, लेकिन जब तक आप स्थिति स्पष्ट नहीं करेंगे, तब तक इसका कोई मतलब नहीं है। मैं यह भी आपसे कहना चाहता हूँ कि चूंकि इतना पैसा केन्द्र सरकार के पास है और आप गांव के विकास की बात करते हैं, इसलिए आप पूरे देश के गांव को गोद क्यों नहीं लेते हैं? यह मान कर चलिए कि जब तक गांव का विकास नहीं होगा, तब तक कंट्री का विकास नहीं होगा। आज जिस तरह गांव की आबादी शहर की तरफ भाग रही है, यह एक बहुत बड़ी चिंता का विषय है। हमें और आपको इस पर बहुत चिंतित होना पड़ेगा और सोचना पड़ेगा।

श्रीमन्, मैं यह चाहता हूँ कि कम से कम सेन्ट्रल गवर्नमेंट स्पष्ट करे कि उन गांवों का स्वरूप क्या होगा, विकास के मानक क्या-क्या होंगे, पैसा कहां-कहां से आएगा और उस क्षेत्र के और गांव का डेवलपमेंट इस सरकार में होगा या नहीं होगा? अगर नहीं होगा, तो स्पष्ट बताया जाए, जिससे कन्फ्यूजन की स्थिति न रहे और लोगों को पता लग सके कि केन्द्र जो योजना चला रहा है, वह वाकयी में जनता से जुड़ी योजना है या खाली हवाई योजना है। मैं आपके माध्यम से यही बात सरकार के समक्ष रखना चाहता हूँ। धन्यवाद।



(समाप्त)

SHRI ANANDA BHASKAR RAPOLU (TELANGANA): Sir, I associate myself with the matter raised by the hon. Member.

श्री मोती लाल वोरा (छत्तीसगढ़): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

श्री अली अनवर अंसारी (बिहार): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

श्री अरविन्द कुमार सिंह (उत्तर प्रदेश): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

श्री आलोक तिवारी (उत्तर प्रदेश): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

श्री नीरज शेखर (उत्तर प्रदेश): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

श्रीमती विप्लव ठाकुर (हिमाचल प्रदेश): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करती हूँ।

श्री दिग्विजय सिंह (मध्य प्रदेश): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

श्री विजय गोयल (राजस्थान): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

डा. अनिल कुमार साहनी (बिहार): सर, मैं स्वयं को इस विषय से संबद्ध करता हूँ।

SHRIMATI WANSUK SYIEM (MEGHALAYA): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by the hon. Member.

SHRI T.K. RANGARAJAN (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by the hon. Member.

SHRI TIRUCHI SIVA (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by the hon. Member.

DR. K.P. RAMALINGAM (TAMIL NADU): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by the hon. Member.

SHRI D. BANDYOPADHYAY (WEST BENGAL): Sir, I also associate myself with the matter raised by the hon. Member.
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