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ورواه أحمد باختصار كثير وإسناد أحمد وبعض طرق البزار والطبراني في الكبير حسان

Ahmad has narrated it in a highly summarized manner, and the chain of Ahmad and some of the chains of al-Bazzar and al-Tabarani are hasan.

That words that he quoted are part of much bigger narration. Along with chain and in full form, which contains these words, I found it in “al-Awsat” of Tabarani (#2155). Chain runs as follow:

أحمد بن زهير قال نا أحمد بن يحيى الصوفي قال نا إسماعيل بن أبان الوراق قال نا سلام بن أبي عمرة عن معروف بن خربوذ عن أبي الطفيل

Ahmad ibn Zuhayr – Ahmad ibn Yahya as-Sofe – Ismail ibn Abban al-Warraq – Salam ibn Abu Amarat – Maruf ibn Kharbuz – Abu Tufail.

There are several problems in this chain.

1) Maroof ibn Kharboodh. Ibn Hajar al-Askalani in “Lisanul mezaan” (7/395/n4888) noticed: Ibn Hibban said he was upright, ibn Muin said he was weak. Tawseq of ibn Hibban doesn’t mean a lot, because he use to make tawseq upon almost everyone, who wasn’t discredited. Dhahabi himself included this narrator in his book “Mughni fi duafa” (6342) where he said: “Shia, upright.  Yahya ibn Muin said he’s weak. Ahmad said: “I don’t know grading of his narrations”. Abu Khatim said: “His narrations are to be recorded”. Ibn Jawzi included him in his book “Duafa wal matrukin”  (#3370).

Ukayli in his “Duafa” (1810) noticed that his narrations are not to be relied on, and they aren’t known except by him.

In “Ilal wal marifatul rijal” of imam Ahmad, under the number 3519 it’s reported from his son: “My father (i.e Imam Ahmad) said: “Maroof ibn Kharbooth, I don’t know status of his narrations”.

2) Salam ibn Abu Amarat al-Khorasani. Weak. (see “Kashaf” of Dhahabi #2210; “Tahzib al-kamal” Mizzi 12/#2661; “Taqrib” #2709 and etc)

3) Ismail ibn Abban. Saduq in the eyes of Bukhari, and not strong in the eyes of Daraqutni (“Mizanil itidal” 1/212). He was yatashayu.

Rafidi  further said:

The Qur’an has confirmed the existence of evil-doers among the wives of the Prophet, peace be upon him and his family

And then he quoted verse of Quran, let us see it without his idiotic notes.



[Shakir 33:28] O Prophet! say to your wives: If you desire this world’s life and its adornment, then come, I will give you a provision and allow you to depart a goodly departing
[Shakir 33:29] And if you desire Allah and His Messenger and the latter abode, then surely Allah has prepared for the doers of good among you a mighty reward.
[Shakir 33:30] O wives of the prophet! whoever of you commits an open indecency, the punishment shall be increased to her doubly; and this IS easy to Allah.
[Shakir 33:31] And whoever of you is obedient to Allah and His Messenger and does good, We will give to her her reward doubly, and We have prepared for her an honorable sustenance.

Curse, curse and again curse of Allah, angels and all creation upon head of liars! WHERE IN THESE VERSES STATED THAT BETWEEN WIFES OF OUR BELOVED PROPHET (SALLALAHU ALAIHI WA ALA ALIHI WA SALLAM) WERE EVIL DOERS?!!!! In such case they should also say that between his noble wifes were those who openly done indecency!!! And people who browsed our blog seen, that such cursed infidels as Yasir al-Habith, aytushaytan Mujtaba Shirazi and other Amuli claimed that!

This  misguided further said:

By contrast, we see Imam al-Hasan (as), as quoted by al-Haythami in his Majma’ al-Zawaid, vol. 9, p. 172 saying these words to the Iraqis:

يا أهل العراق اتقوا الله فينا ، فإنا

أمراؤكم وضيفانكم ، ونحن أهل البيت الذي قال الله عزّ وجل : ﴿ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ اللهُ لِيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرِّجْسَ أَهْلَ الْبَيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيراً ﴾

O people of Iraq! Fear Allah with regards to us, for we (Ahl al-Bayt) are your (divinely appointed) rulers. We are the “Ahl al-Bayt”, about whom Allah the Majestic and Glorious, said << Allah only wishes to keep away from you all blemishes (al-rijz), O Ahl al-Bayt, and to purify you absolutely.

Narrated by Tabarani in “al-Kabir” (3/157/#2695, shamela), via chain: Wahb ibn Abdullah – Khalid (ibn Abdullah al-Wasete) – Hasin – Abu Jamilah – Hasan.

I couldn’t find narrator with name Hasin between shuyukh of Khalid. Ibn Asakir in his history (13/269, shamela) narrated athar from Hasan via chain: Hasin – Maysarah ibn Abu Jamilah – Hasan. Ibn Asakir noticed that correct would be Maysarah Abu Jamilah.

In “Taqrib” mentioned narrator Maysarah ibn Yaqub, Abu Jamilah.  Ibn Hajar said he’s maqbul, and that is mean there is uncertainty in him. Mizzi gave his bio in “Tahzib al kamal” and noticed that he narrated from Hasan, and from him narrated Hasin ibn Abdurrahman as-Sulami. Ibn Abu Hatim mentioned him in “Jarh wa tadil” without any note regarding his reliability. Allah knows best.

And in the end I’d like to remind you some ahadeth where stated that Umm Salam get positive answer on her question. See link Hadith of cloak

Hadith of cloak

March 15, 2010 at 5:28 pm | Posted in Defence of companions, Hadith analysis | 1 Comment

 

 



 

 

 



 

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Salam alaikum.

We all know famous hadith of cloak, when prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) gathered family of Ali under his cloak. Shias use to cite the variant where Umm Salamah asking: Am I with them? And she’s getting answer:

أَنْتِ عَلَى مَكَانِكِ وَأَنْتِ عَلَى خَيْرٍ

You are on your place and you are in goodness.



But there are other versions of this hadith.

1) Wasila ibn Athqa (r.a) asked: And I am too? Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) answered him: And you too.

Narrated by Tabari in his “Tafsir”:

حدثنـي عبد الأعلـى بن واصل، قال: ثنا الفضل بن دكين، قال: ثنا عبد السلام بن حرب، عن كلثوم الـمـحاربـي، عن أبـي عمار، قال: إنـي لـجالس عند واثلة بن الأسقع إذ ذكروا علـيا رضي الله عنه، فشتـموه فلـما قاموا، قال: اجلس حتـى أخبرك عن هذا الذي شتـموا، إنـي عند رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، إذ جاءه علـيّ وفـاطمة وحسن وحسين، فألقـى علـيهم كساء له، ثم قال: ” اللَّهُمَّ هَؤُلاءِ أهْلُ بَـيْتِـي، اللَّهُمَّ أذْهِبْ عَنْهُمُ الرّجْسَ وَطَهِّرْهُمْ تَطْهيراً ” قلت: يا رسول الله وأنا؟ قال: ” وأنْتَ ” قال: فوالله إنها لأوثق عملـي عندي.

2) Wasila ibn Athqa asked and He (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) answered: You are from my AHL.

Narrated by Tabari in his “Tafsir”:


حدثنـي عبد الكريـم بن أبـي عمير، قال: ثنا الولـيد بن مسلـم، قال: ثنا أبو عمرو، قال: ثنـي شدّاد أبو عمار قال: سمعت واثلة بن الأسقع يحدّث، قال: سألت عن علـيّ بن أبـي طالب فـي منزله، فقالت فـاطمة: قد ذهب يأتـي برسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم، إذ جاء، فدخـل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم ودخـلت، فجلس رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم علـى الفراش وأجلس فـاطمة عن يـمينه، وعلـياً عن يساره وحسناً وحسيناً بـين يديه، فلفع علـيهم بثوبه وقال: ” { إنَّـمَا يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ لِـيُذْهِبَ عَنْكُمُ الرّجْسَ أهْلَ البَـيْتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمْ تَطْهِيراً } اللَّهُمَّ هَؤلاءِ أهْلـي، اللَّهُمَّ أهْلـي أحَقُّ ” قال واثلة: فقلت من ناحية البـيت: وأنا يا رسول الله من أهلك؟ قال: ” وأنت من أهلـي ” ، قال واثلة: إنها لـمن أَرْجَى ما أرتـجي.


Ibn Hajar al-Heythami authenticated this hadith from Wasila ibn Asqa in “Sawaiq” (2/423).


وفي رواية صحيحة قال واثلة وأنا من أهلك قال وأنت من أهلي قال واثلة إنها لمن أرجى ما أرجو


It was also reported by ibn Hibban in “Sahih” and chain authenticated by Shuayb Arnaut:


6976 – أخبرنا عبد الله بن محمد بن سلم حدثنا عبد الرحمن بن إبراهيم حدثنا الوليد بن مسلم و عمر بن عبد الواحد قالا : حدثنا الأوزاعي عن شداد أبي عمار : عن واثلة بن الأسقع قال : سألت عن علي في منزله فقيل لي : ذهب يأتي برسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم إذ جاء فدخل رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم ودخلت فجلس رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم على الفراش وأجلس فاطمة عن يمينه و عليا عن يساره و حسنا وحسينا بين يديه وقال : ( { إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيرا } [ الأحزاب : 33 ] اللهم هؤلاء أهلي ) قال واثلة : فقلت من ناحية البيت : وأنا يارسول الله من أهلك ؟ قال : ( وأنت من أهلي ) قال واثلة : إنها لمن أرجى ما أرتجي

قال شعيب الأرنؤوط : إسناده صحيح

3) Umm Salamah asked him and he (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) answered: You are from My Ahl


Tabari in “Tafsir”
حدثنا أبو كريب، قال: ثنا خالد بن مخـلد، قال: ثنا موسى بن يعقوب، قال: ثنـي هاشم بن هاشم بن عتبة بن أبـي وقاص، عن عبد الله بن وهب بن زمعة، قال: أخبرتنـي أمّ سلـمة أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم جمع علـياً والـحَسنـين، ثم أدخـلهم تـحت ثوبه، ثم جأر إلـى الله، ثم قال: ” هؤلاء أهل بـيتـي ” ، فقالت أمّ سلـمة: يا رسول الله أدخـلنـي معهم، قال: ” إنَّكِ مِنْ أهْلِـي

Tabarani in “al-Kabir”:

2663 – حدثنا بكر بن سهل الدمياطي ثنا جعفر بن مسافر التنيسي ثنا ابن أبي فديك ثنا موسى بن يعقوب الزمعي عن هشام بن هاشم عن وهب بن عبد الله بن زمعة : عن أم سلمة أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه و سلم جمع فاطمة و حسنا و حسينا رضي الله عنهما ثم أدخلهم تحت ثوبه ثم قال : اللهم هؤلاء أهل بيتي قالت أم سلمة : قلت يا رسول الله أدخلني معهم قال : إنك من أهلي

Hadith of tafdil. Detailed analyses

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Salam alaikum wa rahmatullah.

From the introduction:

Praise is to Allah, who promised his faithful slaves victory and support by saying, “and helping the believers is ever incumbent on Us”[1].

I bear witness that there is none to worshipped save Allah, One, with no partners. He sent His Messenger Muhammad (sallalahu alayhi wa ala alihi sallam) with guidance and the religion of Truth to cause it to prevail over all religions even though the unbelievers may detest it. And I bear witness that our Master, Prophet, and Beloved Muhammad (sallalahu alayhi wa ala alihi sallam) is the Messenger of Allah, He is the Imam of the Pious, the Master of the Messengers and the Mercy to the worlds. And after this.

The main problem and difference between two main streams in Islam, is a question of superiority of companions. Which one is best!? That’s was a main question between tashayu of first generations and ahle-sunnah.

Praise to Allah that we have very heavy proof that Abu Bakr and Umar, were superior to Ali (may Allah be pleased with them). We have words of saydina Ali.

Refuting doubt: Hazrat Umar Raped A Slave Girl During Ramadan?

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Salam alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu.

At famous shia forum I have seen thread titled “Hazrat Umar Raped A Slave Girl During Ramadan?”

They cited “Tabaqat” of ibn Sad, and even put scan page as a so called proof.

http://gift2shias.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/46717_425555226974_85996831974_5367296_2062106_n.jpg?w=550&h=343

What can we say to this allegation?

First of all shias as usual lied, when they wrote that “Tabakat” of ibn Sad is “MOST AUTHENTIC SUNNI REFERENCE”.

Ibn Sad rahimuhullah narrated in this book a lot of stuff from his shaykh Muhammad ibn Umar al-Waqede. For example this athar was narrated from his way.

Here arabic text:

أخبرنا محمد بن عمر أخبرنا سيف بن سليمان عن قيس مولى بن علقمة عن داود بن أبي عاصم الثقفي عن سعيد بن المسيب قال خرج عمر بن الخطاب على أصحابه يوما فقال أفتوني في شيء صنعته اليوم فقالوا ما هو يا أمير المؤمنين قال مرت جارية لي فأعجبتني فوقعت عليها وأنا صائم قال فعظم عليه القوم وعلي ساكت فقال ما تقول يا بن أبي طالب فقال جئت حلالا ويوما مكان يوم فقال أنت خيرهم فتوى

Shaykh of ibn Sad in this athar, is Muhammad ibn Umar al-Waqede. He was known liar. Abu Hatim and Nasai accused him in fabrication. See his bio in “Mizanul itidal” (3/662/#7993).

“Sharhus sudur bi sharhil halal mawta wal qubur”

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Salam alaikum. Below I’d like to present to you two quotes from book by Jalal-ad-deen as-Suyote “Sharhus sudur bi sharhil halal mawta wal qubur”.

P – 38:


It was narrated by ibn Asakir from Abdurrahman al-Muharibi, which said: “The death came to one man, he was asked to say “la ilaha ila llah”. He said: “I can’t, I was befriend with group of people, they called me to abuse Abu Bakr and Umar”.

P- 72:


It was narrated from Halef ibn Hawshab, which said: “A man died in Madain, and he was covered up. He take the cover, and opened his face, and said: “In this mosque people who dye their beards with henna, and they curse Abu Bakr and Umar, and making tabarru from them. Angels that came to take my soul curses those people, and making tabarru from them”. He said that, and died again”.

http://gift2shias.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/coverpage.jpg?w=376&h=614

P 38:

http://gift2shias.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/38.jpg?w=550&h=856

P 72:

http://gift2shias.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/72.jpg?w=604&h=1024

Religion of ibn Affan and religion of ibn Abu Talib

July 20, 2010 at 7:11 pm | Posted in Defence of companions, Exposing shia lies | 1 Comment

 

 



 

 

 



 

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Salam alaikum, at one popular shia site I seen this short article. It’s entitled “Imam Ali (as) and Uthman followed DIFFERENT religions!”.

After such designing heading, rafidi wrote:

There is an interesting narration in Musnaf Abdur-Razzak 11/453, Hadith No. 20983:

أخبرنا عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن بن طاووس عن أبيه قال دخل بن عباس على معاوية فقال له إني لأراك على ملة بن ابي طالب فقال بن عباس لا ولا على ملة بن عفان


Abdur-Razzak – Mu’amar – Ibn Tawus – his father, who said: Ibn Abbas entered upon Mu’awiyah, and Mu’awiyah said to him: “I see you practising the religion of Ibn Abi Talib (i.e. Imam Ali)”. Ibn Abbas answered: “No, I do not practise the religion of Ibn Affan (i.e. Uthman)!

This is quite shocking. Isn’t it? And sadly, all the narrators are narrators of BOTH Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim!


So, the religion of Imam Ali (as) was different from that of Uthman and Mu’awiyah?

First of all, rafidi gave wrong translation.

Moawiya asked:

إني لأراك على ملة بن ابي طالب

I see you upon nation (millat) of ibn Abu Talib.

And ibn Abbas answered:

لا ولا على ملة بن عفان

“No, and (I am) not upon nation of ibn Affan”.

Second, exactly in accordance to tradition of his forefathers, rafidi cut text of hadith.

Here hadith in complete form:

20983 – أخبرنا عبد الرزاق عن معمر عن بن طاووس عن أبيه قال دخل بن عباس على معاوية فقال له إني لأراك على ملة بن ابي طالب فقال بن عباس لا ولا على ملة بن عفان قال طاووس يعني ملة محمد صلى الله عليه و سلم ليست لأحد

He cut red marked part, where written: Tawos (one of the narrators) said: “It’s mean nation (religion) of Muhammad sallahu alaihi wa sallam, doesn’t belong to one”.

By such answer, ibn Abbas showed that it’s incorrect to ascribe nation (religion) to anyone except Muhammad (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam), people could err, moslems could fight against each other, but their religion would remain the same, the one and only, religion of beloved prophet Muhammad (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam).

Allah knows best.

Athar: Abu Bakr said ‘I did three things that I now regret…..

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Athar: Abu Bakr said ‘I did three things that I now regret, they are: That I failed to show respect towards the house of Fatima…….

Famous Rafidi AA site wrote following:



Abu Bakr said ‘I did three things that I now regret, they are: That I failed to show respect towards the house of Fatima. I did not burn Fajaf Salmah. At Saqifa I transferred Khilafath to Abu Ubaydah or Umar. There are three things that I wish I had done: When Asheesh bin Qays was brought before me as prisoner I should have had him killed. When I sent Khalid bin Waleed to the Land of the Kuffar I should have turned him in the direction of Zay Qasa. When sending Khalid to Syria I should have sent Umar to Iraq. I regret that I did not get clarification from Rasulullah (s) on three matters: Whether the Ansar had a share in the Khilafath. Who would succeed him (s) as Khalifa.The inheritance of an aunt and nephew

However chain of this athar isn’t authentic, so these regrets of Abu Bakr aren’t proved, and most likely it’s pure fabrication.

It was narrated by Al-Aqele (or al-Uqayli) in “Duafa al-kabir” (3/420, shamela), ibn Asakir in his history (30/422), Tabarani in “Mojam al-kabir”, Tabari in history (2/619) via chain that contains Alwan ibn Dawud al-Bajli.

Bukhari and Abu Saeed ibn Yunus said about him: “Munkar al-hadith”. Al-Uqayli said: “He has ahadeth that couldn’t be relied upon, and which are not known except by him” (“Mizanul itidal” 3/108/#5763).  Al-Heythami in “Majmau zawaid” (№9030) said that it was narrated by Tabarani, and in the chain Alwan ibn Dawud, and he’s weak.

And bonus another lie of AA site revealed.

http://gift2shias.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/aa_lies_again.jpg?w=550&h=391

These rawafidh said:

As proof we shall cite:


  1. Tareekh Tabari Volume 2 page 24

  2. Kanz al Khitab al Khilafath ma al Maar Volume 3 page 135

  3. Al Imama wa al Siyasa Volume 1 page 18, Dhikr Wafaath Abu Bakr

  4. Murujh al Dhahab Volume 2 page 308 Dhikr Khilafath Abu Bakr

  5. Iqd al Fareed, Dhikr Wafaath Abu Bakr Volume 2 page 20

And few sentences after they wrote:

These five esteemed Sunni scholars noted Abu Bakr’s admission of his mistakes, so why do his modern day champions go mad when we accuse Abu Bakr of making a mistake on the Fadak issue? This is of course unpalatable for the followers of Abu Bakr, and their modern day advocate Al Khider tries his best to muddy the waters and present both parties as correct…

And by Allah they lied! Masoode author of “Muruj az-zahab” was known shia scholar, and not sunni one.

Hadeeth: Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) gave fadak as gift to Fatima (r.a).

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Hadeeth: Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) gave fadak as gift to Fatima (r.a).

It was narrated from Abu Saeed al-Hudri that after Allah revealed verse (surah al-Isra, 26 )“And give to the near of kin his due and (to) the needy and the wayfarer, and do not squander wastefully”, prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) called Fatima (r.a) and gave her land of Fadak as a present.

This hadeeth is pure lie upon our beloved prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam).

First of all we should notice that this verse revealed in Mecca, and Fadak become a land of Moslems only after hijra (see commentary of ibn Kathir). Second, if that happen, then why did she come to Abu Bakr, and asked him about property, which was already in her possession?

These two points are enough reason to reject this narration, as a pure lie. But in addition to that we would examine chain of this hadeeth.

Ibn Adi in “Kamil fi duafa” (5/190) narrated it from Abu Saeed via chain: Narrated to me al-Qasim ib Zakariya, which said: narrated to me Abbad ibn Yaqub, which said: narrated to me Ali ibn Abis from Fudayl ibn Marzuq from ‘Atiyyah from Abu Saeed al-Hudri.

This chain is good example of shia way of transmission.

1) Abbad ibn Yaqub Koofe. Shia. Abu Hatim and Ibn Khuzayma said he’s thiqat. Ibn Adi said: “And Abbad ibn Yaqub, known from people of Kofa, and in him quluw in at-tashayu, and he narrated ahadeth, which were rejected from him, in praise of ahlalbayt, and harm of others”. It was reported that he use to say: “Allah is just, to let Talha and Zubayr enter the heaven”. And it was narrated that he use to abuse Uthman (Mizzi “Tahzib al-kamal” 14/#3104). Ibn Hibban said: “He was caller to rafd, and along with that narrated manakir from famous people, deserve to be abandoned”. Dhahabi said that he was from qulatu shia, and from the head of innovations, but saduq in his narrations. (“Mizanul itidal” 2/379/#4149). Hatib mentioned that ibn Khuzayma stopped narrating from Abbad in the end (“Tahzib at-tahzib” 5/#183). Ibn Jawzi included Abbad in his book on weak and abandoned narrators, and cited there opinion of scholars (“Duafa wal matrukin” 2/p77).

2) Ali ibn Abis. Ibn Maeen said he’s nothing. Juzajani, Azdi, Nasai said he’s weak. Ibn Hibban said he made terrible mistakes, and deserve to be abandoned. (“Mizanul itidal” 3/134/#5872). Ibn Jawzi included him in “Duafa wal matrukin” (2/p195) and noticed that Sade and others said he’s weak. Saji said he had manakir (“Tahzib at-tahzib”7/#571). Ibn Adi said that his ahadeth to be recorded, along with his weakness (“Kamil fi duafa” 5/#1347). Dhahabi in “Kashaf” (#3934) noticed his weakness. Ibn Hajar said he’s weak in “Taqrib” (#4757)

3) Fudayl ibn Marzuq. His personality is a matter of disagreement between scholars. bn Maeen, Sufyan ibn Ueyna said he’s thiqat. And it was narrated that ibn Maeen weakened him (see also ibn Shahin “Tarih asma thiqat” #1122). Nasai said he’s weak, same opinion shared Uthman ibn Saeed. Dhahabi in “Mizan” said: “Abu Abdullah al-Hakim said: “Fudayl ibn Marzuq isn’t from conditions of sahih, it’s pity that Moslem narrated from him in Sahih”. Ibn Hibban said: “His ahadeth are extremely munkar, and he was from those who erred upon truthful (when narrated from them), and he narrated FABRICATIONS FROM ATIYYAH (Here he also narrating from ‘Atiyyah). I (Dhahabi) say: ATIYYAH IS MORE WEAK THAN HIM (And he said he’s thiqat in “Kashaf” #4492). Ibn Adi said: “If his ahadeth would be in line with ahadeth of truthful, he can me relied on in such cases”. (See “Mizanul itidal” 3/362/# 6772). Ibn Abu Hatim narrated from his father, that he said about ibn Marzuq: “He was saduq, salihul-hadeeth, erred a lot, his ahadeth to be recorded”, I (ibn Abu Hatim) asked: “He’s to be rely on”? He said: “No” (“Jarh wa tadil” 7/#423). Ibn Jawzi included him in “Duafa wal matrukin” (3/p9) and said: “Yahya said: “Thiqat”, and once said: “Weak”. Ar-Razi said: “Not to be rely on”. Ibn Hibban said: “Erred upon thiqat, and narrated from ‘Atiyyah  fabrications”.

Abu Bakr ibn Athram narrated that when Imam Ahmad was asked about ibn Marzuq, he answered: “I don’t know anything except good about him” (“Sualat Abu Bakr ibn Athram li Ahmad ibn Hanbal” p 166/#239).


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